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    The Top ways to get a High Ranking

    I hear all kinds of things that will get a page ranked high. Please contribute if you know anything?

    I hear that Page mass also has a lot to do with how high you list in google. Is this true? What else?
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    back links
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    keyword density....properly though.

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    For Google it is numerous relevant keyworded anchor text list on high reputation pages. Title is important also, but it is linkswith Google.

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    With Google, yeah.. links. The biggest thing is links.

    Basic SEO:

    1 - include your keywords/phrases in your <title>
    2 - include them again in your <h1>
    3 - include them in internal links to the page
    4 - try to get others to link to you using similar terms in the link
    5 - have those keywords in your content
    6 - don't spam. Don't use <h1> where it doesn't belong. Don't repeat keywords where they don't make sense. Don't cloak. Don't stuff.

    That's a good mix for accessibility and usability too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatnewt
    Don't repeat keywords where they don't make sense.
    Absolutely. Especially if google is indeed using Latent Semantic Indexing (LSI or LSA-latent semantic analysis). With automatic text processing techniques like these, they can tell how "coherent" a page is and if it makes sense.

    A professor in my department has done a lot of work with LSA in psychological research, and it's as good as people are at grading papers, so remember that when you are building your website.

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    1. Links
    2. Links
    3. A few more links
    4. Don't forget links
    5. Some better quality links here
    6. More links.
    7. Pizza and coke while building more links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronicles
    1. Links
    2. Links
    3. A few more links
    4. Don't forget links
    5. Some better quality links here
    6. More links.
    7. Pizza and coke while building more links.
    You forgot to mention links.

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    I am obstructing justice. bronze trophy fatnewt's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronicles
    7. Pizza and coke while building more links.
    Something a little healthier may help you stay sharp.
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    Hey, I was wishing on that part.
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    Yahoo seems to care for regularly updated content a bit too. Also, if it's one thing the internet doesn't need more of is useless cookie-cutter sites that have no real value or use, so if you're gonna put the time in, you might as well put something useful up.

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    One more time:
    <mantra>numerous relevant keyword anchored links from high reputation pages</mantra>

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    Does nobody care about good solid content anymore?

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    Absolutely. And that's the best way to get listed high over the long-term.

    I'm going to say this, loud and clear:

    To Rank #1 and to stay at #1 for a keyword...


    ...are you ready for it?


    ...it could save you...


    ...to rank highly... all you need is to:


    Be the best at what you do.

    It's really quite simple, actually. Make a site worthy of being ranked highly and search engines will WANT you to rank highly since you're actually the best site they can offer their own visitors.

    Then you've got the SE's development team working round the clock trying to make algorithms that will make the best sites (content-wise... which means you) rank highly. Google's employees start working for you. Yahoo!'s employees start working for you. etc.

    Often overlooked... but really the best long-term SEO plan there is.
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    ☆★☆★ silver trophy vgarcia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAAAARRRRGH
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fatnewt again.


    If more people in the SEO field had an attitude like yours it wouldn't have such a bad name .

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    Thank you.

    Seriously, it's got to be the only SEO that lasts.
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    The way to get top ranking is to optimize your site. The biggest part of optimizing your site is having backlinks. Of course once you get the person on your site there are many other issues. Content, navagation, well designed site, fast loading, a well designed shopping cart if you are doing sales, and so on.
    Getting clients on your site to have them leave because the text is red on a yellow background or a chessie design, the navagation is out to lunch, because it is so slow it not funny, because of this or that makes no sense. But on the other hand having all those things right and not optimizing your site (read numerous relevant keyword anchored link) make no sense either.
    While some people may shout LINKS LINKS LINKS or your sky will fall, others jump up and down and shout CONTENT CONTENT it all CONTENT, people in the know will tell you its both those things and more.
    If I remember correctly this thread is about "The top ways to a High Ranking" not the best way to make convertions, the best way to keep people on your site, the best way to keep them coming back, etc etc etc.
    While all those issues need to be addressed they will do you no good if they don't see your site in the top 10 SERP.
    To get your page into the top 10 on Google it will take links and lots of em. PERIOD. That is not to negate on-page factors, but you can tweek your pages till you are blue in the face but you WILL not get traffic from Google with out LINKS.

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    Well.. Just as many PR links as possible..and seeing as nobody mentioned backlinks!!

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    backlinks are links to your site. It's just searching for them in a search engine... which is like going backwards to find sites linking to you. So yeah, it has been mentioned.


    And yes, right now for Google, links are most important. But well-marketed sites with good content or a great service get the most links... unless they're spamming of course. Content is important not just because of how an SE reads a page... but because content is what SEs want to find. Links are just a method of finding them, and the logic is that more, better links will point to better content. That's how Google became what it is -- by offering a good way to find good content. Offer good content and much of the links stuff will take care of itself.

    Not to say you should abandon it, but content is still king.

    Aside: Long-term, links may not always be the thing, either. Having good content will keep you going, even if Google disappears, or if ranking by links becomes a thing of the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia
    Quote: AAAAARRRRGH

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fatnewt again.

    Been taken care of.

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    ...to rank highly... all you need is to:


    Be the best at what you do.

    If only it were that simple... Good luck getting a decent ranking without actively trying to improve it. A site with quality content will make getting good rankings MUCH easier but its definitely not enough.

    It's a nice thought though .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurbin
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    If only it were that simple... Good luck getting a decent ranking without actively trying to improve it. A site with quality content will make getting good rankings MUCH easier but its definitely not enough.

    It's a nice thought though .
    I disagree 100%. I have a humor site that I haven't touched in almost a year and a half. It is very well done, I just don't actively promote it or improve it anymore. However, it's rankings, and traffic, continue to climb. Why? Because the content is there and other webmasters feel compelled to link to it because it is a great resource. If a webmaster creates a site and focuses on content rather then rankings, the rankings will come as a result of the content. The best sites always rise to the top.

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    You'll obviously need to get the word out at first on your own, but stymiee is right.
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    stymiee: The fact that you left your site alone as far as getting links and tweeking the on-page stuff and it is still doing good, doesn't mean that it wouldn't have done better if you did add links and tweeked the on-page stuff.
    I am guess if a study of 400 websites was done where the webmasters did no SEO work on there site for a year but kept producing good content and 400 sites where the webmasters did SEO work but also kept producing good content, that the ones that did SEO and content would have gained better rankings.

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    No one argues that doing seo and promoting your site is helpful. But they're meaningless in the long run unless your site is a quality site to begin with. That's the whole point we're getting at.


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