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    I have been submitting site to Yahoo for years. Today when I tried to submit, I learned that they no longer allow free submissions in my category. I have to pay $200 for them to look at the site. And even then there is no gaurantee my site will be listed. $200 is a lot of money for a no-profit, non-commercial community site like mine.

    When did Yahoo end their free submissions?
    Is there any way around the fee?
    Do any other search engines require fees?
    Is the $200 fee worth it for a no profit or low profit site?

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    Don't panic ! There ARE ways round this.

    First, submit to the Open Directory Project - http://www.dmoz.org. This underpins an awful lot of the new hybrid search engines/directories, and is free. Even if it doesn't underpin an s/d, it's likely to be there someplace as a partner site/backup in case a searcher can't find what they're looking for - though that only has relevance if you have a unique site with very few search terms applying to it. Unofficial guidance for submitting is here:

    http://www.laisha.com/zine/odpsubmit.html
    http://www.1stsearchranking.com/open-directory.htm


    Lycos (the directory part) is currently free, and NBCi (formerly Snap) has a free option- submit to it and if your site proves popular they'll upgrade you from the 'LiveDirectory' to the'Topsites' directory, the one people usually pay for.

    Yahoo! has a free 'Standard submission'.

    Anything to do with the Looksmart directory costs nowadays. It powers AltaVista, MSN, Excite, Webcrawler and Iwon.


    Then submit to Google:

    http://www.google.com/addurl.html

    That's still free, and is one of THE major search engines.


    So are Fast (formerly 'All the Web') : http://www.alltheweb.com/add_url.php3

    AltaVista (for its search engine) http://doc.altavista.com/addurl/

    WebTop: http://www.webtop.com/search/vanilla/addurl.html


    AOL, partnered with Inktomi but currently not charging: http://search.aol.com/add.adp


    Hotbot, uses Inktomi but not charging:
    http://hotbot.lycos.com/addurl.asp

    Lycos: http://www.lycos.com/addasite.html

    Canada.com: http://www.canada.com/search/web/addurl.asp

    Northern Light:
    http://www.northernlight.com/docs/regurl_help.html


    Intomi is used by many s/d's, either as a main source of data or a subsidiary source. Each s/d will have its own way of extracting money from you, but if you can get onto the Inktomi database for free you've sneaked past them. Hotbot, AOL, MSN, NBCi, Canada.com all use Inktomi -so, for example, if you can get onto Inktomi via the free Canada.com you'll probably end up in MSN and all the others- for free. Inktomi has a free 'Add URL' service, mainly to attract low-grade sites and spammers - but paying for inclusion with them does nothing but speed up the process by which a spider is sent out to check your site. Supposedly, as soon as they can figure out a way of of allowing non-commercial sites like yours to register then this free 'Add URL' service will be removed.

    Generally, anything with.net or .com on the end is seen as commercial; anything with .org as non-profit making.


    It's incredibly confusing out there. All the s/ds have links with or investments in loads of others, and swap data like mad. Some have their own search engines, some have their own directories.

    Word of mouth is an extremely good way of getting noticed - if you've a quality site, other sites will link to you.

    If you've a link to one or two other sites, the search engines will eventually pick you up.

    I make no guarantees about the current search of play -things change so quickly. This info. is about 1 month old.
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    Which category are you talking about?

    How about Yahoo! Canada?

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    Yahoo! has a free 'Standard submission'.
    I did a little more investigating. The Standard Submission has been removed from only a small portion of the Yahoo directory. Mostly in the adult areas. I guess they assume if your site has anything to do with an adult topic you must be making a lot of money. I guess I'll try to submit my web site in a non-adult category where I still can submit without paying a $200 fee. Most of the people would probably find it searching a name rather thing following links throught the directory, so it doesn't make that much difference where it is as long as it gets in.

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    I was under the impression that yahoo is now powered by google. So a solution would simply be to submit to google (definately free)

    We recieve traffic from both yahoo and google, from our Web Trends report they show up as:

    1. http://google.yahoo.com
    2. http://www.google.com

    I do see traffic coming directly from yahoo, but it is only a fraction of the amount referred from the URL above.

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    If yahoo doesn't find any results for the search you make on the directory ('web sites'), it will show you the results from google ('web pages'). You'll get much more traffic if you are listed in the directory ( I made a post about ppl listed in the directory, and the usual was 30-40 uniques a day from the yahoo directory, ut there are webmasters getting over 500 hits a day comming from yahoo (the directory).
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    Personally I think yahoo has lost its way. I used to use them a lot but their current structure makes searching a time consuming task.

    Since google lauched its browser based tool bar I hardly use anything else. (Maybe altavista)

    I certainly wouldnt pay yahoo $200 for a listing which could appear 5 pages deep within their site.

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    You can still get into Yahoo free. Not as easy but it can be done. Try the regional listings. They're easier to get into.

    I just got one of my customers into Yahoo on the first try. Only took about 2 weeks after submission.
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    I was thinking submitting to the regionals too. I noticed that some of the adult related regional directories still permit the standard submission. I am going to put in my request today. I bet they will eliminate the standard submission just like the non-regional adult listings in a short time.

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    It's a VERY labour intense activity to hand-submit your site to all top search engines each month. A much more efficient approach would be to create no more than 5 spider-pages for your website and thus allowing the searchengines' spiders to find you and index you automatically. This innovative approach does not work for sites that are written in frames, and that are not written for multi browser types.

    just my .02 cents (tax free)

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    We submitted our site to Yahoo! and Looksmart a while ago, paid $400 for it, but now we're getting thousands from advertisers who place their ad on our site because of the high targeted traffic so thank you Yahoo! and thank you Looksmart!
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    Sure You Can

    >$200 is a lot of money for a no-profit, non-commercial community site like mine.

    Yahoo still accepts free submissions.

    We have had great luck with getting them in when they offer useful information, and the waiting period is the same as it always was.

    The key to Yahoo free submissions is to make the editor see that your submission is something that will be useful to Yahoo searchers. (Incidentally, that is the key to ALL directory submissions.

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    DMOZ powers, AOL, Netscape, Google, Lycos, among others.

    Yahoo uses Google.

    So indirectly Yahoo uses DMOZ.

    Gotta love the irony.
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