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    SitePoint Enthusiast darlin's Avatar
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    My group have used the nukes, which we didn't care too much for. We currently have a test site for Mambo, but we are still testing it.

    I can tell you that I have really been impressed with mx-system.
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    yep mx-system does indeed look pretty promising

    At the moment i'm using php-nuke, which save the security issues and the bugs, is still pretty feature rich and managable

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    Mambo would be perfect if it was integrated with phpBB, I would be using it now for several community sites if I could do that.
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    The reason I joined mx-system development was of all the security holes in phpNuke (this was back in late 2002).... every day I'm glad I did because it integrates the forum which is a lot more important than all the little toy-like nuke modules/blocks. Most people who return to a website just want to use the forum and rarely use anything else

    I have a MX module development guide over at their knowledge base if you want to get your hands dirty with some PHP

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    Quote Originally Posted by crucialp
    Mambo would be perfect if it was integrated with phpBB, I would be using it now for several community sites if I could do that.
    It is integrated with phpBB:

    Here is the component author's forum (running phpBB inside Mambo): http://www.tim-online.nl/index.php/c...rum/Itemid,93/

    Here is where you can download it: http://www.tim-online.nl/index.php/c...art,0/limit,5/

    Here is the discussion on the Mambo forums about it: http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthr...ighlight=phpbb

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    Tony,

    Thanks for pointing that out, that is perfect. Just what I am looking for.
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    I'm working on one right now. Anyone who has ever used phpBB or vbulletin will be familiar with it's adminCP layout. But unfortunately it is still in the early stages of development and we are looking for more core developers.

    It won't have phpBB integration but it will have a forums system similar. Keep it in mind for the future

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    The way you have the forum now looks fine to me. As long as the templates match the site, and there's a link back to the main site, for me that looks clean and uncluttered.
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    I tried mambo and liked it a lot. Then I tried tikiwiki and liked it even more. Tikiwiki http://www.tikiwiki.org is the most feature rich and best supported CMS I have come across. It is availible on sourceforge and is actively developed. The system is based around a very rich wiki so it is easy to create nice looking content even if you don't know html and everything can be tweaked visualy through the global style sheet which makes it very easy to adjust the look and fell. (it also supports templates).

    The only downer is that all the feature richness creates complexity so it a steep learning curve to hack. All the features have control pannels though so you don't have to hack it unless you really want to.

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    TikiWiki is very powerful, but if you plan on growing a fair bit, then it would not be the best one to use. It is very resource intensive. I have been doing a lot of work with TikiWiki lately, and find it a great CMS but probably used in a different environment than Mambo (which I like much better).
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    Hi,

    I would look no further than Tikiwiki. It has everything, forums, blogs, file and picture galleries, articles, calendars and much more. Check it out and www.tikiwiki.org. I find it incredibly powerful.

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    manutius:
    Yeah but what about crucialp 's comment on tikiwiki resource usage . What's your experience and selling point to counteract that ?

    crucialp - if possible, can you describe the website traffic levels when tikiwiki failed you ?

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    I have never used TikiWiki in a large grade production environment, but I do know that when you have several thousand users you will need to at least have a dual xeon server, as I know many people who have such setups. Each page takes 80-200 SQL queries, so you can imagine the load when you start getting a lot of users.

    I do agree very much that TikiWiki is very powerful, in fact I am implementing it currently as an intranet site for the largest Airline in australia.
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    Take a look at this Mambo VS Post-Nuke slashdotting Test. It's not perfect but interesting

    http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=11375

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    Also take a look at these free http stress testing tools --> http://www.joedog.org/ and

    http://www.joedog.org/siege/index.php

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    Hoho.. this thread grew up pretty good..

    Anyway, i am using xoops for a few weeks now, tweaking it and it's 7dana theme to look the way i want it and the way it should. It's all rather easy to setup, tweak and administrate. I'd say that xoops is really as they say themselves the ideal community building tool for community's that need to be more than just forums. And speaking of forums, it does have ability to integrate phpbb and even Invision Powerboard. But that is becoming less importan since the incoming new version of native newbb is (newbb 2) is gonna have even more features than phpbb and be even more faster than already pretty fast newbb 1.
    Besides that, there are ALOT of useful modules and hacks. Whatever you need can be worked out actualy.
    The bottom line is, i recommend xoops for comprehensive community sites/portals building. Other cms's you're mentioning like mambo or tikiwiki may be somewhat good for community's, but generaly those are more like content oriented management systems than community management systems. Xoops is definitely 'one' of the best cms's for community driven sites.

    All that replied to my original questions in order to help, thank you!

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    You're welcome. However, for me, I find have found that Mx System, and Mambo are my choices. I have done a great deal of testing on Mx system, and as of now, I still prefer it, but Mambo is making great progress, and the more I fiddle with it, the more I'm liking it, but as of now, it's still MX System.
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    Lightbulb an alternative

    this is an impressive thread on the issue. Just thought I would offer some opinion and an alternative.

    I have used Mambo and ezPublish. Both are impressive. Mambo, I would like even more when it integrates the xhtml coding into the main line of the development.

    I realize that php is sacred in this territority, and I admit that I was reluctant to focus efforts on a tool that was not php-based, I am a convert to the Zope/Plone CMS setup. It is awesome, powerful, feature rich, and integrated. Plus, the dev teams have a strong focus on Web standards, which is part of our needs.

    So, Plone (www.plone.org) and Zope (www.zope.org) for more. Our site, listed below, is built on this setup also.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifpeople
    this is an impressive thread on the issue. Just thought I would offer some opinion and an alternative.

    I have used Mambo and ezPublish. Both are impressive. Mambo, I would like even more when it integrates the xhtml coding into the main line of the development.

    I realize that php is sacred in this territority, and I admit that I was reluctant to focus efforts on a tool that was not php-based, I am a convert to the Zope/Plone CMS setup. It is awesome, powerful, feature rich, and integrated. Plus, the dev teams have a strong focus on Web standards, which is part of our needs.

    So, Plone (www.plone.org) and Zope (www.zope.org) for more. Our site, listed below, is built on this setup also.

    Cheers,
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    Yes, the plone and the zope framework are impresive and do look very nice. The fact that they are not php based does not have to be a bad thing at all, in a contrary, that may prove to be even more stable and robust solution. And i like the fact of them focusing on standards since the code and design compliance of a site brings it a good advantage.
    However, the downside of it is simply that php is more widely used and supported, it's popularity therefore makes it the best and for many even the only choice. The LAMP hosting is common and it doesn't supports zope, you'd have to install it, but to do it you have to be an admin of a server and that's something many of us lack. Also, with plone specificaly, it lacks good forums and i don't think that there is an phpbb integration, but that's something relevant for community driven sites only.
    Mambo and ezPublish indeed seem to be very good solutions for less-community driven sites i'd say, but then they may serve well in that teritory. This thread alone proves of mambo's popularity and ezPublish enjoy's a good overall reputation. My choice however was xoops, it may not be perfect, but then there's no perfect, it seems to fit best for my needs. :-)

    Daniel

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    How about Drupal - anyone tried it ? Or have comments on it. It's really grown up since I last looked at it - about 1 1/2 year ago. I think it would make a excellent Intranet. I'm thinking of using it.

    From what I recall it was also used on Deanspace.org.

    http://drupal.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeliber
    My choice however was xoops, it may not be perfect, but then there's no perfect, it seems to fit best for my needs. :-)
    I really like what you did with Xoops on http://www.libervis.com/ .
    How many hours did you spend configuring it and modifying it before you were 'satisfied' ?

    I tried installing xoops out straight from the core files and I realize it takes some configuring.

    P.S. To everyone else - don't forget the Drupal Question

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcel
    How about Drupal - anyone tried it ? Or have comments on it. It's really grown up since I last looked at it - about 1 1/2 year ago. I think it would make a excellent Intranet. I'm thinking of using it.

    From what I recall it was also used on Deanspace.org.

    http://drupal.org
    Searching for a 'community' management system i looked at Drupal, but the dissapointing fact was that it has not integration of any phpbb or alike forum. Their forums are much different. When you look at the main forums page you see it the way they look in an usual forum, but when you post or read posts you get them as they were some kind of articles with comments. I don't like that feeling.
    Drupal has it's taxonomy system by which it categorizes content instead of categorizing it by different components (e.g. modules) as other systems.
    It sounds like there would be somewhat difficult to understand and to get used to such a concept. But as i've read, when you do, it becomes a powerful toon in your hands.
    All in all, however, drupal is not in the category of 'easy to use' systems despite what some of them might say to you. I got that impression and reading about alot of CMS's during my research to choose the right one, it is good, but simply 'different' and maybe somewhat harder to grasp than othes.
    Xoops would be a great alternative to Drupal.

    Daniel

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcel
    I really like what you did with Xoops on http://www.libervis.com/ .
    How many hours did you spend configuring it and modifying it before you were 'satisfied' ?
    excuse the partial repost

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    If anyone is interested here is a list of
    of truly unique "i can't believe that is Drupal" caliber sites. http://drupal.org/node/view/7443

    Impressive

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcel
    I really like what you did with Xoops on http://www.libervis.com/ .
    How many hours did you spend configuring it and modifying it before you were 'satisfied' ?

    I tried installing xoops out straight from the core files and I realize it takes some configuring.

    P.S. To everyone else - don't forget the Drupal Question
    Heh.. Thank you Marcel!

    I didn't really count the hours, and i worked on it a few nights at the same time working on more issues (yeah, i gotta organize myself better, and i will) .

    Let's see.
    The installation was really easy, just following the instructions from the install file and then the instructions on the screen.
    For configuration, you first need to install the modules you need. It is pretty easily done through the module preferences to which you come from the popup menu from system box on the upper right corner. To install other modules you may download from xoops.org sites, in most cases you just upload the whole module folder to the modules folder on the server and you'll find it sitting and waiting for install in the modules configuration. So handling differend modules is rather easy and every module has it's own preferences.

    The important part for getting the site looks as you want it to look is to configure the appereance of blocks, you may do that in blocks configuration of system module. You can setup the blocks for every xoops page including the top page. The most time for that i spent setting up blocks for top page. After you do that, all other pages mimic the basic setting of top page so there is not much to do there then except if you want to add custom blocks with text or something. All in all, it's not that much of a hassle.

    The theme, which probably impresses you the most, i must humbly admit' is 'powered by' 7dana-jane theme which is easily installed just by uploading it in themes folder and selecting in general preferences.
    However, i wanted it to look at least a bit different than their original themes so i edited some colors, added the main logo, replaced those little pics for main and user menu's to be closed and opening little folders when you hover with mouse over it, replaced original forum icons, brightened up color of the left columns, made title backgrounds in center column a bit 'yellowish' etc. etc.
    All in all, it looks quite different than the original theme.

    I'd say it's not very hard to get it looking the way you want it, even if you need to modify some CSS and html codes it is simply copy-pasting some codes around
    or changing values of numberse and color codes. I edited theme.html in the 7dana-jane theme folder and the CSS file inside the same folder to edit the look and feel to be the way i'd like it to be.

    And there may be some little changes yet, the site is not officialy launched yet.

    Am i bubbling, what's with me, i am talking like crazy..
    Anyway, hope it's of help. :-)

    Daniel


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