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    Good XML tutorial

    Hi,

    I am looking for a good XML tutorial (I could read the XML specification from the W3C, but this is not very didactic). I was reading a nice (or it appeared to be) one at W3Schools (http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_browsers.asp) and found that it is more dedicated for Internet Explorer (forgive my bad English). Are they partners or something? Please, check the link above. The text says:

    "In our XML tutorial we have focused on Internet Explorer 5.0 and higher."

    In some examples they only consider IE. You can see it here:

    http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_xsl.asp

    Where the text says:

    If you have Netscape 6 or IE 5 or higher you can view the XML file and the XSL style sheet.

    View the result in IE 6

    View the result in IE 5

    What about Mozilla? So, I lost interest in this tutorial. I would like a good one that would be more... independent. I mean, a tutorial that would consider what the W3C specifies, not what Microsoft specifies. I tried to make a google search for it and found many tutorials, but it is difficult to find a good one. So, does anyone know a good one?

    Thanks,
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    lol! Another W3Schools dropout! I've ranted about how bad that site is before...
    http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173954
    http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156802

    Anyway, try this quality tutorial:
    http://www.topxml.com/xsl/tutorials/intro/default.asp

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    They probably focus on IE because that's what 95% of Internet users use.
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    Thanks for answering.

    Marcus, I am visiting this tutorial right now. Soon I will give you a feedback about it.

    Zak, I think in another way about this. As a professional, I try to do my best to make a code that would be compatible with all browsers (quite a challenge since old ones are not so supportive for Standards - XHTML, CSS etc.) and not only 95% of them. Even if you code according to the W3C Standards, you will be able to see the page in Internet Explorer (sometimes by using some hacks, unfortunately). Oh, by the way, even according to their information (W3Schools) about browser statistics, Internet Explorer has a little more than 80%.

    June - 2004

    IE6 - 72.8%
    IE 5 - 8.6%
    O 7 - 2.3%
    Moz - 11.4%
    NN 3 - 0.3%
    NN 4 - 0.3%
    NN 7 - 1.4%

    The link is here:

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

    I guess it is time for people to refresh certain info (in the whole world) about these statistics (LOL) . For a certain time IE is no longer in this rank of 95%.

    Cheers,
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    It also depends on where you get your information. TheCounter has it about 95%. I would trust them over w3schools's stats any day.

    http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2004/May/browser.php

    It's all relative I suppose.

    And I was partially joking. As a professional I always keep all browsers in mind. However, my source of income is Intranet applications running IE 6 primarily so I always focus my efforts on IE specifically.

    BTW...TheCounter.com is run by Internet.com. I would assume that TheCounter.com gets a whole hell of alot more hits than w3schools.com does.
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    Try http://www.devshed.com/c/b/XML/

    I read quite a few GREAT articles on XML there. I am sure you'll find devshed.com useful for this kind of stuff.

    Hope this helps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcanth
    June - 2004

    IE6 - 72.8%
    IE 5 - 8.6%
    O 7 - 2.3%
    Moz - 11.4%
    NN 3 - 0.3%
    NN 4 - 0.3%
    NN 7 - 1.4%
    Lol! I find that rather amusing - 20% of the people visiting the W3Schools are unable to use the information in the XML tutorials in their chosen browser! (i.e. their content is unsuitable for 20% of their visitors)

    Point proven, I think!
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    Thank you for your answers.

    Zak, indeed browser statistics are relative. I think that these statistics are done based on users accessing their sites? Hmm.... I just thought that there could be an organ or institution that could gather info from many diferent sites being visited and piece this info together and display it as a more generalized and complete statistics. Well, maybe something like Netcraft... I tried to look for this info there, but couldn't find it.

    Madeonmoon, this is a great one. Already in my bookmarks. Thanks!

    MarcusJT, the tutorial you posted is also in my bookmarks. Thanks!

    Lol! I find that rather amusing - 20% of the people visiting the W3Schools are unable to use the information in the XML tutorials in their chosen browser! (i.e. their content is unsuitable for 20% of their visitors)
    And this considering that they inform you will be able to follow the tutorial with Internet Explorer (probably because of proprietary code). Worst would be if they put proprietary code and did not inform the user to test it with IE...

    http://www.sitepoint.com/article/introduction-xml
    Silly me I didn't look at it! LOL. Thanks! Already taking a look.
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