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    Should php.net be running PHP 5?

    I was pretty surprised to learn that they weren't "eating their own dog food". PHP 5 is really close to final release - looks like the first part of July. There's actually a discussion on the dev list about switching php.net to PHP 5.

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    I've voted 'no' as I don't actually think that PHP DotNet should practice what it preaches at this time.

    In another 3 months, well that'll be a different story, but it shouldn't matter just now

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    Does it honestly matter ? Just because someone makes clothes it doesn't mean they should wear them

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    I voted for no - I don't expect them to run it on such a large site until it's 'gold'.

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    I voted yes - they should have been running php.net on PHP 5 a long time ago. If they themselves don't put PHP 5 into production use, why should anybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csn
    I voted yes - they should have been running php.net on PHP 5 a long time ago. If they themselves don't put PHP 5 into production use, why should anybody else.
    I didn't see Microsoft running ASP.NET on their site back in 2000 when it was being developed; that just wouldn't be a smart thing to do especially while bugs are still being discovered and worked on.

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    Just curious, why isn't there a 'I dont care' option

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    I don't really mind, though it would make the product more trustworthy.

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    I'd say that they are cool with the most recent version of 4 right now... but the day of 5's final release I want to see them switch.
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    I doubt the folks at php.net would advise you to run your hugely popular production website wtih a beta version of PHP, so why should they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coo_t2
    I doubt the folks at php.net would advise you to run your hugely popular production website wtih a beta version of PHP, so why should they?

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    Exactly. Where is the logic of this poll? Even up to RC quality, development software should not be used in a production environment, why on earth should they expose themselves to that risk?

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    I say a yes and no.. i think they should have a team on their staff have a current page updated to PHP5 at something like http://php5.php.net or http://beta.php.net or http://weeeeorglolwtfaolASL.php.net

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrWoot
    I say a yes and no.. i think they should have a team on their staff have a current page updated to PHP5 at something like http://php5.php.net or http://beta.php.net or http://weeeeorglolwtfaolASL.php.net
    yep.

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    At the moment,

    If they themselves don't put PHP 5 into production use, why should anybody else.
    This is upto each person, no one is holding a gun to your head PHPversion5 in my view is not ready for the big time yet, later this year would be ideal to kick start things.

    Then we'll see PHP DotNet doing it's thing

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    I think its a good call the php.net doesn't have php5 running right now, so many people rely on there website, if they had a major problem with php5 in the dev stages, it could cause a problem. I think that php.net sticking with the stable releases to use on there website is a good idea.

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    Unbelievable. If the PHP developers are themselves using PHP 5, it will be a much much better product. In production. Not on some isolated box with just themselves testing it, and relying on bug reports from third parties. There have been many others who have been willing to use PHP 5 in production for a while. PHP 5 is past beta, it's a release candidate.

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    Geez...

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    OK, so it's not beta anymore, but it's still just a candidate. Hold your horses and don't get your panties in a bunch.

    If you really wanted to make a fun thread you should of entitled this poll "Should php.net be running ASP.NET?".
    That would of surely brought 'em all out of the woodwork.

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    You all who don't think php.net or zend.com should be running PHP 5 are the ones wearing panties!

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    Quote Originally Posted by csn
    You all who don't think php.net or zend.com should be running PHP 5 are the ones wearing panties!
    So, they make me feel pretty.

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    PHP 5 is not final yet. I don't think it should be used on any production server, especially such busy servers as php.net

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberAlien
    PHP 5 is not final yet. I don't think it should be used on any production server, especially such busy servers as php.net
    Exactly. They release it for testing. If those brave enough to test it agree that's it's ready for release, then PHP.net should be the first to use their new product.

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    How silly. A release candidate basically means "We think this is good enough for a final release, but it hasn't been banged on enough. Install it, test it. If you find any problems, report them. If none are found, this RC will be the final version (if problems are found, they'll be fixed and this still may or may not be the final RC. Regardless, even final version almost always have quite a few bugs)."

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    Exactly, this RC hasn't been banged enough yet. :-)

    Once it has been banged on enough it will be both used on php.net and a final release.

    I admit that I'd respect php for stepping behind their newest releases, but the prudence certainly is not without justification.
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    Exactly, this RC hasn't been banged enough yet. :-)

    Once it has been banged on enough it will be both used on php.net and a final release.
    Catch 22.


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