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1. I prefer to think of mathematics as an adjective or a description.
"Here be dragons"
"Here be green dragons"
"Here be seven dragons".
And I always thought that Arabs invented the 'zero', sorry, I mean 'mentalised' the zero.

2. The ancestors of ancestors of our ancestors used to represent several times the same thing to represent its multiplicity. They eventually came with a way of representing multiple instance of a horse without having to represent every horse. That was more convenient, so they've been spreading the concept.
Basical maths...

(of course i may be wrong, but that's how i represent the past)

3. Originally posted by Polymath
And I always thought that Arabs invented the 'zero', sorry, I mean 'mentalised' the zero.
Congratulations to Polymath on his discovery/invention of the word mentalised!

Regarding the origin of zero. It seams that it has appeared independently in several cultures. A search at google took me here:

What is the origin of zero? How did we indicate nothingness before zero?

Robert Kaplan has written The Nothing That Is: A Natural History of Zero and teaches at Harvard University. He provides this answer:

...The first recorded zero appeared in Mesopotamia around 3 B.C. The Mayans invented it independently around 4 A.D. It was then devised in India in the mid-fifth century. It spread to Cambodia near the end of the seventh century, and into China and the Islamic countries at the end of the eighth century. Zero reached western Europe in the 12th century.

4. I have zero of so many billions of different things. I am rich with zeros.
Every day I am finding more and more zeros and have more and more.
It is wonderful to have so many. They make a beautiful space in between all the things
I have one or more of.

If zero is nothing, where do negative numbers come from?
As far as I've been able to tell, you can't take something from nothing.
You have 3 apples and I take 5 apples from you. How many apples do you have? Minus 2?
Does that mean if I give 2 back you will have zero?

Heh. Such Math is logically impossible.

Have a nice day, enjoy your zeros.

5. Well your collection of zeros is comming along . I counted four in your post.

02-21-2001 11:29 PM
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If you don't like zero what do you propose - that we go back to Roman Numerals? That means abandoning the decimal, octal, and binary numbering systems. Don't think computing would have got far if we didn't have the binary number system!

Why are you arguing with yourself? Who said "If zero is nothing". Zero is a place holder within a numbering system. Of course with 1s compliment binary arithmetic you have the anomoly of two zeros +0 and -0

As for taking five apples from me when I only have three. That's not illogical mathematics - that's just illogical! Of course you must correctly model the thing you are observing. It would be equally illogical for me to ask you to count the number of points along a piece of string. Because there are an infinate number of points along a piece of string is that string infinitely long? The wrong the wrong concept applied incorectly leads to an illogical conclusion.

As King Lear said, "Nothing comes of nothing".

Cheers

6. In other words, freakysid
"That would be illogical, captain."

8. I have no idea???

Sorry

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