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    i personal don't care about Netscape users anyone lazy enough to not update their 4.x browser should be redirected to an update page or 404 page. I just don't have time to worry about the 8% of the people on the net that insist on using an old browser.

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    I would agree with personal sites etc... But with a site that is trying to sell a product or service then you don't want to alienate 8% of your potential customers!?!
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    Precisely. And the percentage isn't quite 8% - it's above that in other parts of the world.
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    In an Ideal world - the browsers would all be bug free and follow the standards.

    What is the point of having the w3c if no one bothers to fully support all the standards they develop.

    What I would like to see in the browsers is a Standards compatibility rating. Something that tells you exactly what the browser supports. This way, consumers would demand browsers that were HTML 4.0 certified, flash 5....etc

    Hopefully one day browsers will be a bit like the ideal Java Virtual Machine - you don't need to worry about it as it is designed to support the standard that you code to.

    Just imagine one day going to a site and noticing the little sentence down the bottom....This site requires a 'w3c' version 5 (or higher) standards compliant browser.

    Okay I now need to go and find a map back to reality...it doesn't matter which one.

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    I always try to make my sites follow the w3c standards as much as possible. Although it isn't always possible, I don't have any big problems with any browsers.

    A way to avoid problems with certain browsers (NS, Opera, Konqueror, etc.) is by keeping the site as simple as possible, i.e. tables not deeper than 3 layers, no or only limited use of CSS for certain non-critical tasks and a in no way complicated design.

    So far, only Opera gives me some trouble sometimes.
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    If you care about your visitors you should really take in consider netscape.. even that buggy communicator 4.x, a lot of people still use it.

    I wouldn't let even 2% of my visitors away, the only problem is that making your page compatible is the feature that takes most time, sometimes even more than designing it.

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    Funny, why do people design for browsers? I personally design for humans, so that they can view it in a way they prefer to view it. For example if they think that "damn, that text is rather small, perhaps I should make it a bit larger" then sure, go ahead, it works.

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    well, i do design for netscpae. its crucial.
    even opera is on my list.
    I'll leave it to others to explain the reason for my actions. =)
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    Originally posted by nemx
    i personal don't care about Netscape users anyone lazy enough to not update their 4.x browser should be redirected to an update page or 404 page. I just don't have time to worry about the 8% of the people on the net that insist on using an old browser.

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    Originally posted by westmich


    Who is it that's being lazy? The user or the designer?
    Precisely. Love it or hate it, Netscape isn't going to go away. You have to learn to live with it.

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    Originally posted by M. James

    Precisely. Love it or hate it, Netscape isn't going to go away.
    I wouldn't be so sure about that. Personal, I am very disapointed in NS6. It's not any faster than NS4.7 and my site has less bugs in NS4.7 than in NS6! I really wish NS would go away! I know there are a lot of NS lovers, but that's how I feel.
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    Originally posted by Macromedia
    I wouldn't be so sure about that. Personal, I am very disapointed in NS6. It's not any faster than NS4.7 and my site has less bugs in NS4.7 than in NS6! I really wish NS would go away! I know there are a lot of NS lovers, but that's how I feel.
    Yeah, but not everyone feels the way you feel, no matter how bad the browser is/gets. It's not going to go away, so you'll have to learn to design for it.

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    It's not all about speed.

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    Webmasters can, of course, do whatever they want, but there are still people, like myself that use Netscape 4.x. I have IE and Netscape 6 installed so I can test my site, but I just like 4.7 better. Netscape 6 is definitely a disappointment from a useability standpoint.
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    Originally posted by klisis
    It's not all about speed.
    But speed is essential for an optimal viewing experience, right?
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    The last of a reason i would hear to using a netscape browser is for speed.
    LOL..thats a true irony.

    hmm ( hope this doens't become a browser war thread )
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    Yes, lynlimz, I hope this doesn't become a browser war thread as well. I herby withdraw myself from this thread, because I don't want to get into a browser war...
    -Nick

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    LOL macromedia!
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