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Mar 25, 2004, 11:04 #76
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Guys - minor warning - agree to disagree maybe. Different Browsers suit different people, Opera is good, so is Firefox, good and bad points all around. But please this has been a great thread lets not ruin it by it ending up in a slagging match.
I am sure its made a few Firefox converts and Opera converts in its time, and if we can keep it going maybe a few more.
So tell us the links for added extra, hints and tips, but remember not everyone is going to agree with you
ThanksRegular user
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Mar 25, 2004, 11:07 #77
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Originally Posted by Rynoguill
if you dont PAY MONEY for opera, youve got that nice big rotating flashing banner add at the top
Later,
Douglas
For the record: My tab bar is 26px high, if it was less than that I wouldn't be able to fit in the favicon things.Hello World
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Mar 25, 2004, 11:38 #78
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Why?
Plenty of reasons:
Take a look at my second toolbar. I've got external applications that I use the most, makes it easier to access programs right from your browser.
To right of those buttons is my buttons for my RSS reader which you can see on the left sidebar. This makes Firefox a must have. I don't have to check pages for updates anymore, I just boot up the RSS and find what's new. That's how I got to this thread.
To the right of that you see a CSS button. This allows me to edit CSS in real time OR make a page easier to view all live. Don't like reading a lot of text on a black background? 20 seconds of CSS editing and your done. Text too small? Not anymore.
The Calender is next which is pretty useful although I don't rely on it that much seeing as this program is still in beta. Gives me a quick and easy way to remember deadlines.
The next button is for a quick note panel. Quick note basically allows me to edit a text file from my side bar. The coolest part of this extension is you can pic the location of the text file. Everybody in the office shares the same text files. Making communication, to-do lists, content sharing 10x easier than before. We've used other solutions for this but none offer the kind of flexability that this does.
The Toolbar with Load Form can save form values that you've entered. Very useful for testing. Google's autofill does a good job too but you can't store different values. This let's me have a selection of testing "customers" when I'm changing code on a shopping cart system.
Next toolbar is a standard google bar without the pagerank. Not a biggy. It gives me the power of the google toolbar right on Firefox. One cool thing this add's is a button for dictionary searches.
The best toolbar in the world is next. I won't even attempt to list the cool features this one has. It's such a power tool that I'm quickly becomming very attatched too. I don't know what I'd do without it sometimes. Makes Web Developing easier and quicker.
http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/
Those are mostly extensions that I encourage non-Firefox users to check out. That's what make Firefox so useful. I wouldn't be using it without these.
Another really cool feature of Firefox is it's "dynamic bookmarks". I'm suffering from lack of sleep right now so Ill just show you examples.
If I type in "php sleep()" in my address bar it will immediately search php.net for sleep(). If I type in "php doggy" it will search php.net for the term doggy. I've got one set up for sitepoint.com too. I type in "sp Firefox" and I search sitepoint for the term Firefox.
Basically you set a keyword and replace a post value with %s. The default installation comes with Google's bookmark with this enabled. Check it out.
Install the extensions, give it a couple weeks, and you'll be wishing you switched sooner. I have Firefox in my startup folder now. It gives me everything I need from a single program window. If they added instant messenger support I'd be in heaven. Also recent builds can integrate your Inbox into a side panel. Talk about a all in one solution.
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Have to say I've not heard of half those extensions - that really is the Firefox advantage. Can you send some links to where to find those extensions?
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Originally Posted by DougBTX
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Mar 25, 2004, 12:36 #81
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I'm just hooked on IE. I'm so used to it and I don't want to leave it (sounds like a relationship
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Originally Posted by Firestorm2003
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Mar 25, 2004, 13:24 #83
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LOL. I see your point, so I'll install Firefox and browse around for a while, and see what I think.
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Grab the extensions and play with them. I used to be a diehard IE fan for a long time until I discovered the power of extentions.
I forgot to mention another really nice extension. There's a extension that adds a right click menu choice of "copy image to clipboard". Really nice when you have to make quick changes to a image and don't want to crawl through FTP.
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Originally Posted by Firestorm2003
just dont tell ie, what it doesnt know wont hurt it. i mean, its not really cheating is it?
seriously, youll be glad you did, especially if youre a webdeveloper and you get those extensions that everyones been talking about in this thread.rynoguill
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I've installed it, it's very good! It's now my primary browser.
Though I'll be getting some themes for it - not to keen on the default theme.
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ataboy, i knew you would like it. [thinks to himself, i wonder if firefox has a payroll... j/k]
i use bluestreak, its a very concise theme, maximizing your page realestaterynoguill
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Originally Posted by tonyskyday
Bad UI = works the way you expect it to
I guess the difference between you and me is that you think Opera is awesome and that Mozilla Firefox sucks (fair enough viewpoint!), whereas I think they are both good browsers, but I prefer Firefox. For one thing, all I need is a browser, I don't need all the other things.
EDIT: WingedSpider, could you please remove the large image in your post and just link to it? You're making this thread a REAL pain to read...
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Originally Posted by Rynoguill
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http://www.texturizer.net/firefox/themes/
Either mozdev.org is down or a JavaScript Error has occurred.
hrm...rynoguill
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Firefox has the Google toolbar?!
Hmmm...
/downloadsMike
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Mar 25, 2004, 15:44 #92
Originally Posted by naramation
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Oh, nevermind
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Originally Posted by megamanXplosion
Originally Posted by megamanXplosion
At any rate, I think we somewhat made the same "to each his own" point.
One thing I would say is, if any one out there is still just using IE, download Opera and/or Firefox, because IE has fallen so far behind the curve that it is just plain rediculous.
I, for one never minded the ads on Opera. They are pretty easy to just ignore, since they are in a part of the browser window you would seldom look at anyway.
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The download manager in Firefox gives you a finger.
(Please take this as a pro-IE point.)
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Originally Posted by neodur
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Originally Posted by The New Guy
I think that a better comparison chart would be Mozilla VS Opera
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I remember one thing I really liked about Opera.
As I recall, in the upper right-hand corner, just above the viewpane, there is a dropdown box that lets you zoom in or out of a web page (that is veiw it at 110% or 90% or whatever). I did find that very handy on occasion.
For instance, if I went to a site that had large photos where it was more important to see the whole photo than to see the details, I could zoom out and see it all. It was pretty cool
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Yep, Opera's zooming engine is the best IMO.
Internet Explorer can barely change the size of text (it reacts differently according to the measurement used).
Mozilla is a little bit better, but it will zoom text so that sometimes the container will stretch (the DIV/Span/Table/Whatever) and sometimes the text will just overflow into another section. If you have black text on a white background, then reversed colors in your navigation panel on the right, then everything becomes unreadable. Another example if you have absolutely positioned some text on the page above your content and then you zoom in, the absolutely positioned text will overflow into the content area overlapping the lines of text. I can mention more problems with this method. Their implementation basically voids out the whole purpose of the feature.
In Opera everything zooms, not just text. It will always work, text doesn't overlap, the images can be zoomed out if they're too big too see, etc. I can't think of any drawbacks with this method.
btw Tony, there's a shortcut to do zooming in both FireFox and Opera. Hold Ctrl then use the middle mouse wheel. I find that it's much faster to find the preferred setting this way
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