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    Hey all,

    So I've been battling (warring, actually) with myself over making the Big Switch—from Internet Explorer to Firefox. I've fiddled with the latter for days on end, but have relied solely on Internet Explorer for "serious" browsing.

    Maybe it's time to change.

    Here's my argument: the only benefit that Firefox has over Internet Explorer for me is aesthetics on certain Web sites (SitePoint, arguably, mezzoblue, SimpleBits), but it has several functional failings, notably ActiveX for Windows and Office Update.

    I've considered using Firefox for 99.9% of my browsing and Internet Explorer for my weekly visits to Windows and Office Update. That's what I'm considering now.

    So here's my challenge: convince to make that switch. Convince me to drop Internet Explorer with the exception of the maintenance mentioned above. Convince me to use Firefox as my primary browser.

    If you convince me, everyone who posted will be congratulated and thanked. I would give out rep to all who post, but rep is disabled in GC.

    Oh, and by the way... I'm going to play devil's advocate in response to replies, so be ready.

    So... start convincing!

    compuwhiz7

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    2 words: TABBED BROWSING

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockNRollPig
    2 words: TABBED BROWSING
    I could always get tabbed browsing through MyIE2 or AvantBrowser.

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    Then why don't you use those instead of IE? Tabbed browsing is the single best thing any browser has ever created.

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    My name is Steve, and I'm a super-villian.

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    I used to use IE but made the switch because of tabbed browsing. Multiple windows became a pain in the ***, especially the way I surf and I like to support open source movements. Firefox is an excellent browser and makes browsing the web easier for me, hence why I use it. Why you use it, is up to you to assess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockNRollPig
    Then why don't you use those instead of IE? Tabbed browsing is the single best thing any browser has ever created.
    Ah, but I didn't say whether I was using "naked" Internet Explorer or "disguised" Internet Explorer, now did I? All I'm talking about is the Internet Explorer core.

    Remember, you're supposed to be persuading me to use Firefox, not browsers powered by Internet Explorer.

    Links examined and points taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by anthony_irl
    I used to use IE but made the switch because of tabbed browsing. Multiple windows became a pain in the ***, especially the way I surf and I like to support open source movements. Firefox is an excellent browser and makes browsing the web easier for me, hence why I use it. Why you use it, is up to you to assess.
    Okay. Essentially the same as RockNRollPig, no?

    Keep 'em coming... I'm 25% convinced already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compuwhiz7
    Remember, you're supposed to be persuading me to use Firefox, not browsers powered by Internet Explorer.
    You got me there I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockNRollPig
    You got me there I'm afraid.


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    It looks pretty

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    bookmarklets, tabbed browsing, increased speed, stricter compliance to w3c rules, greater css support, more webpage space, decreased overhead, and its not integrated with every freakin part of windows so if you get some spyware or virus or something that affects your browser it doesnt kill you.

    number 1 reason, the people that make firefox are actually striving to make it better, they will listen to you, and theyve already done a better job in a .8 beta release than ie has in 6 public releases. that means that mathmatically (in my opinion of course) firefox is seven and a half times ahead of the game than IE.

    ding ding ding, i think we have a winner
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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel_eastley
    It looks pretty
    Only with the Luna theme, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rynoguill
    bookmarklets, tabbed browsing, increased speed, stricter compliance to w3c rules, greater css support, more webpage space, decreased overhead, and its not integrated with every freakin part of windows so if you get some spyware or virus or something that affects your browser it doesnt kill you.

    number 1 reason, the people that make firefox are actually striving to make it better, they will listen to you, and theyve already done a better job in a .8 beta release than ie has in 6 public releases. that means that mathmatically (in my opinion of course) firefox is seven and a half times ahead of the game than IE.

    ding ding ding, i think we have a winner
    That did me in, I'm afraid.

    110% convinced. Navigating to Downloads folder, opening Firefox installer...

    Thanks to everyone who participated in this challenge, and to all those Firefox evangelists out there who didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pippo
    Cross-platform ( Linux/FreeBSD/Windows )




    Oh, and by the way... everyone must promise that they will not e-lynch just because NewsGator and Outlook use the Internet Explorer engine. Those don't really count, do they?

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    hey, am i the one that put you over the edge?! sweet, maybe i should go into marketing or advertising or something. brought you up from 26 to 110 percent? thats awesome. great to have you as a fellow firefoxer. i think we should start a contest on what they will name the .9 release though....

    and no, ill support you on the outlook, its still the best out there. just dont browse web pages through it, at least not mine anyway (shivers)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynoguill
    hey, am i the one that put you over the edge?! sweet, maybe i should go into marketing or advertising or something. brought you up from 26 to 110 percent? thats awesome. great to have you as a fellow firefoxer. i think we should start a contest on what they will name the .9 release though....
    You sort of were the one that convinced me once and for all... everyone else helped, but your long string of facts (all of which I knew before but about which was in denial) really did it.

    It's nice using Firefox again... like I said, I've used it extensively before, but it's very nice to have it as the primary browser.

    I myself don't like the Firefox name (liked Firebird a lot), so I think we should have that contest. The only trouble is that I'm a science nerd, so I'll vote to name it something obscene like Graviton or Neutrino.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rynoguill
    and no, ill support you on the outlook, its still the best out there. just dont browse web pages through it, at least not mine anyway (shivers)
    Thank you... I love Outlook, and its NewsGator plug-in... the only "browsing" for which I use Outlook is the blog entries that come through.

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    I'd say, if you know what firefox offers(and apparently you do), and you don't see any benefit over your current browser, then there isn't much of a reason to switch.
    Is that convincing enough for ya?

    Of course you could just make the switch because all the cool kids are doing it. You do want to be cool, don't you?

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    ctrl+l = location bar
    ctrl+k = google search
    ctrl+enter = auto complete .com
    shift+enter = auto complete .net
    ctrl+tab = scroll tabs (just found out about this - feels SOO natural)

    oh, and if a site uses some compressor thing (lol yes thats the technical term) - then the site will load ~80% faster than in IE

    oh, and the webdev toolbar is great

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huscy
    ctrl+l = location bar
    ctrl+k = google search
    ctrl+enter = auto complete .com
    shift+enter = auto complete .net
    ctrl+tab = scroll tabs (just found out about this - feels SOO natural)

    oh, and if a site uses some compressor thing (lol yes thats the technical term) - then the site will load ~80% faster than in IE

    oh, and the webdev toolbar is great
    you also have the / and the ' that will let you search for text on a page or links on a page. i love being able to do most of the things with my keyboard instead of having to go to my mouse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huscy
    ctrl+l = location bar
    ctrl+k = google search
    ctrl+enter = auto complete .com
    shift+enter = auto complete .net
    ctrl+tab = scroll tabs (just found out about this - feels SOO natural)

    oh, and if a site uses some compressor thing (lol yes thats the technical term) - then the site will load ~80% faster than in IE

    oh, and the webdev toolbar is great
    Very useful, thanks.

    By the way, I think the compressor thing is called gzip. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Things like Fire Fox are good for surfing porn if your main browser is IE :P

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    Oh, and by the way... how come middle-click (scroll-click) isn't opening in a new tab... that's a crucial feature... Any ideas?

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    I was an IE user til a few weeks ago. It was rather hard to get used to all the new things in Firefox, but after a week or so I'm pretty much hooked. Whenever I have IE open for some odd reason I actually get angry that I can't middle-click things and so on.

    The added benefit of Firefox for me is reliability. IE crashed all the time. When it did, it usually took everything with it and I had to take a restart. Firefox has only crashed once (when I had like 80 programs open) and when it does crash it doesn't affect my whole system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lo0ol
    I was an IE user til a few weeks ago. It was rather hard to get used to all the new things in Firefox, but after a week or so I'm pretty much hooked. Whenever I have IE open for some odd reason I actually get angry that I can't middle-click things and so on.

    The added benefit of Firefox for me is reliability. IE crashed all the time. When it did, it usually took everything with it and I had to take a restart. Firefox has only crashed once (when I had like 80 programs open) and when it does crash it doesn't affect my whole system.


    Unfortunately, as I noted above, middle-click isn't working... do you have any idea , lo0ol?

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    Heh, I'm not that much of a guru yet. Have you checked options to make sure it's selected?
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