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    I don't see any evidence of spamming at all - perhaps you're not explaining yourself clearly.

    If you search for "MyCoding" on say, Google, you'll find as many results pointing to SitePoint pages as you will the actual MyCoding site, due to my signature - the same thing likely happened with you.

    I really don't see how this is spamming at all.

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    Atleast you come up first in the search results.
    I think I'll stop signing my site's name as it just causes me problems.

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    It does this because your name is listed on SitePoint.com (it must be an old forum spidering). If you search under my name, it shows NOTHING about me but one thing about my friend and one thing about SitePoint. http://goto.com/d/search/?type=home&Keywords=qslack


    If I search for my old site ( http://goto.com/d/search/?type=home&Keywords=fourthdev ), it shows Aidan's site, Techmailings.com (an Andover.net site who reviewed my newsletter), Netscape, Boris' site, the site of a local community college, Dogpile.com, and Metacrawler.com. None of them are spamming, they just linked to me before I took that site down.

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    Originally posted by jumpondeals
    Atleast you come up first in the search results.
    I think I'll stop signing my site's name as it just causes me problems.
    Yeah sure - and then how about you stop accusing sites of spamming just because you don't seem to quite understand how the search engine involved works? Sheesh.

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    Again: hit the following link if you came to this site by mistake:


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    Last edited by jumpondeals; Nov 4, 2001 at 21:19.

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    You asked it with a bunch of question (and exclamation) marks. You also said "I want an explanation for this." - sounded pretty stern to me.

    I apologize for my harshness anyway, but I do think you jumped to a lot of far off conclusions in this case.

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    So does this mean that every time I post a link to my website here (as my signature) that the engines will index this page and Sitepoint will come up when a user does a search of say: "Broadband China" or "Education China".

    If Sitepoint comes up don't you think this is reducing the relevancy of search results.
    Besides what does Sitepoint have to do with jumpondeals. I see absolutely no relevance to this keyword for SitePoint.

    Another point: Thus, would setting up my own message board and having users post signature links cause my site to come up in the engines even if the content of my site has nothing to do with the search phrase.

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    Last edited by jumpondeals; Nov 4, 2001 at 21:20.

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    I have been a member here quite a while
    only a month so far tops
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    No sitepoint isn't paying goto to send targetted traffic to sitepoint in response to a search on your sitename.

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    I certainly don't think SitePoint is spamming.

    However, this seems like an effective technique(having a message board and getting it indexed) for getting your site noticed in the search engines, regardless of keyword and content.



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    Also, In response to Jason Donalds comment:

    No sitepoint isn't paying goto to send targetted traffic to sitepoint in response to a search on your sitename.

    I don't think anyone ever mentioned anything about this in this thread. Any why would SitePoint do this anyways.
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    I don't think anyone ever mentioned anything about this in this thread.
    I interpreted 'search engine spamming goto.com' as such, because goto is primarily a pay-per lead search engine more so than a indexing search engine. No stress, dudes.

    <Edited by Jason Donald on 01-24-2001 at 06:51 PM>

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    Geez, you two (jumpondeals and sadhu) must have something against SitePoint Here's the facts: SitePoint has done nothing to get their site into search engines under those keywords. The search engines spider all the forum pages, and they think 'jumpondeals' is part of the site, when it's really your signiture. SitePoint can't do anything to prevent that from happening. It's just how the spiders work.

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    Last edited by jumpondeals; Nov 4, 2001 at 21:22.

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    Dudes, I certainly meant no disrespect to SitePoint by my comments (the content is good and the forums are excellent)
    In fact all I was trying to do was bring up what I thought was an interesting point.
    Does setting up a message board and having it inedexed increase the chances of you being found in the engines across a broad range of content, regardless of the content of your site?
    I only used SitePoint as an example because I thought it was unusual for a site like this to come up for the keywords (jumpondeals).

    Would this then be an effective technique for all webmasters to employ to increase traffic, even if its not all targeted?
    The same goes vice versa would webmasters benefit by link popularity if their links are all over the forums and then get indexed by spiders?


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    I think so - I know that my SitePoint signature brings me a bit of extra traffic. I used to get 10 uniques to each site in there - sometimes I get more, sometimes less, but it's steady and reliable.

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    Yes, in return for being a loyal member of the Sp community we got mroe hits to our website. I think it works well for both parties involved.

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    I think a point is being missed here. Suppose I did a search for "gibralta" and instead of getting Angels website I get SitePoint as the result. I click on the link and can't find a thing about the Rock. Am I a happy surfer? Am I in the right frame of mind and open to offers of sign ups or sales pitches? No i'm not because I wanted to find the tax rates of Gibralta and SitePoint doesn't tell me so I close the window and go to Yahoo because I think either GoTo doesn't work properly or SitePoint is using keywords that have no relevance and GoTo is letting them.
    I can't think for a minute that this scenario would be of benifit to SitePoint. Ok, the hit counter has moved on by 1 but as SitePoint know, if the visitor isn't targeted then what's the point?
    Regards the comments about "us" getting a few extra hits from being a member of the forum. I often click on the link in a signature if the Author has written something that I have found to be interesting, funny or both and I suspect other members do the same. You can tell a lot about someone by looking at there "home"
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    Here, Here, Ady! It took a few posts to get to it, but your post cut to the heart of the matter. Irrelevant traffic has little value, and is, in fact, more likely damaging.

    More to the point, battling to the top of the search engines ladder on 'non-generic' words (such as 'jumpondeals', 'Frappydoo', 'gib-online' or SitePoint') is not really very important anyway.

    Any surfer who knows enough to type these words into a search engine is ALREADY a customer/user/audience member. They know about you. They will find you.

    The really worthwhile 'word battlefield' is the battle for generic terms that both you and your competititors share. For 'Jumpondeals.com' it might be 'bargains, deals & shopping'. For 'SitePoint.com' it is more likely 'web, help, HTML & tutorial'.

    These are the words that your potential customers (the ones that DON'T know about you yet, but would like to) are typing into Goto and Google.

    These words will always be a much more hotly contetsted area, but they are also the ones that will bring you the most dramatic results.

    Alex

    <Edited by AlexW on 01-30-2001 at 01:46 AM>
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