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    e=2.718281828459045235360 HyperBaseball's Avatar
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    Hey.

    I'm currently re-modeling my site, HyperBaseball.com, but have ran into a problem with Netscape. I'm hoping to keep the design under-wraps until it's ready to be launched, so if there's anyone out there with extensive HTML knowledge please email me (address below) or AIM me at the screen name in my profile.

    I'll be willing to give you some banner ads if you can fix my problem-- I realize that this is a better Trading Post topic, but I do need help with the website design, so feel free to move it if you want (just change the subject to somethig better).

    Thanks. Sheesh I hate Netscape. I had the problem in Opera but got that fixed, I'm not even sure that I want to spend a lot of time trying to fix it in Netscape, but if there's anyone out there that can help me I'd appreciate it a lot.
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    Well, I'm sure there are Tons of people waiting to help =)
    Anyway, If you want, I wouldn't mind helping! Managed to fix most of my netscape problems on my site except the alternative for CSS Paddings which netscpae doens't support.
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    there are 2 main netscape table problems.

    1. empty cells, netscape will not render an empty cell. put an   in the cell or a blank transparent 1 pixel gif and it will render the cell.

    2. netscape may not render your entire page if you forget to close your tags:

    every <td> needs a </td>
    every <tr> needs a </tr>
    every <table> needs a </table>

    Those are really the only netscape table problems there is, actually #2 isn't a problem, its just that netscape is less forgiving than IE, but you should be coding like that anyways
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    I've also found it a good idea to give all your cells width values. Netscape got very confused when I tried using nested tables and column spanning to lay out my page. Adding pixel or percentage values sorted it out though.

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    The Hiding One lynlimz's Avatar
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    Yeah..and complex tables also don't work well in netscape..keep them simple
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    Thanks for the input. Basically what my problem is is that I have a table that I need to be 100% height so that my nav bar stays at the top of my page, even when I have long amounts of text.

    I tried putting a space and a transparent image in there, but neither seemed to work. I'll check my tags again to make sure I didn't forget anything.
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    Don't get what you mean..but you could place the nav bar in a separate frame at the top...
    or if i got you right...you want no vertical scrollbars..
    then you have to specify in pixels for a person of resolution 640 by 468
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    lynlimz,

    I'm emailing you about the problem.
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    YUP sure. I'll try to assist you.
    Wait for my email!
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    Lynlimz: I am having awful NS problms as well...Basically in this hyperlink cell array (a 150 deep link library) some links just keep appearing the usual deep blue, despite the fact that I've forced the style to another, different color. It is xtremely frustrating, and it's also forcing my hand in my preferring IE (gasp!) over NS... BTW, how many frames can NS support? On this particular page I have 7, mostly for spacing, header and footer purposes - and maybe the problm is related...
    Thx for support & sorry if I've stolen a thread...
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    Hi..

    LOL..Okie okie.
    For the hyperlinks, that can be easily solved. Why don't you post the Style sheet or the code involved?

    I mean the:
    1) code for all links in your style sheet..like
    a.link {}

    2) the attaching code. like <a class="ct1"></a>

    For frames, I'm not too sure..But 7 frames is alot for a page. =) You cna definitely cut it down by at least half.
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    Thx... But, I did try to force the issue by inserting the {a} style coding!! As I said, IE works fine but NS really sucks on this very same page! I'll try to send u the page when I get back home.
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    Yes Please do.
    Because on my site, I have specified 3 different set of links using style.
    Each set includes a:
    a:visited
    a:link
    a:hover

    and they all work perfectly fine! even in netscpae! Of cause not including the a:hover element.

    You must have done something wrong...so the only way we can help is to show us your code. =)
    All the best!
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    Hi guys....didn't forget to send u the code.....my 'puter broke down seriously so I'm sorta stranded for now!
    Will get back asap.
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    Okay sure! NO Problem!
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    Originally posted by JingleJungle
    Lynlimz: I am having awful NS problms as well...Basically in this hyperlink cell array (a 150 deep link library) some links just keep appearing the usual deep blue, despite the fact that I've forced the style to another, different color. It is xtremely frustrating, and it's also forcing my hand in my preferring IE (gasp!) over NS... BTW, how many frames can NS support? On this particular page I have 7, mostly for spacing, header and footer purposes - and maybe the problm is related...
    Thx for support &amp; sorry if I've stolen a thread...
    JingleJungle
    I read somewhere, quite a while ago about a problem with the rendering engine in netscape (versions prior to 6) getting lost when implementing CSS styles on large numbers of objects (such as 150 links on a page). This leads to problems which seem to dissapear or get worse with page refreshes. If i can find the article again i'll post the link.
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    JingleJungle's problem was simple.
    He set the style correctly, but netscpae did not recognise spaces in the styles.

    Like: font-size: 10 pt; << netscape fails
    and: font-size: 10pt; << netscape supports
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    Ahh that old chestnut one of those can't see the wood for the trees kinds of problem. I do that all the time, drives me mad it does
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    LOL..Yeah.
    But you'll get used to the adjustments

    BTW..welcome to sitepoint community!
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    A big Karma bonus for lynlimz...
    A newbie question...is there somewhere a table that explains all the tags, along w/ the compatibility in IE and NS?

    JJ,

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    Haaz...No Problem.

    Erm....Don't know..but the closest I have is:

    http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp

    and
    http://css.nu/pointers/bugs.html
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    Cool...thanx...
    Upon first view it appears that we are still quite far from establishing a common code protocol ... Whilst this may read as a biz opportunity to some, it certainly means a headacke to all the rest of us!
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    for the complete compatibility matrix please refer to
    http://www.webreview.com/style/css1/...stergrid.shtml...
    Cheers!
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    Thanks for the Link!

    LOL
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    Wow, Jingle, that's an impressive work! Looks like it could help us all big time when we develop our sites.
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