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    The title says it all...

    Everyone who wants to call themselves a geek, nerd, etc should be strongly opinionated on this front.

    It is like having an F1 fan that doesnt like McLaren nor Ferrari...McLaren are best of course but not everyone knows that.

    Anyway which would you buy if you had the choice between lets says a 750 MhZ Thunderbird and a 750MhZ PIII...and prices aside because the difference isnt that huge!

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    Thunderbird, but only if it was on an Abit KT7 mobo and you gave me an HB pencil to go with it. Even though Intel could crush AMD in under a year if they wanted to I would still go for AMD.

    BTW Ferrari are the best.
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    750mhz Tbird, but I think the Gigabyte 7zxr.. it's cheaper
    If you were willing to pay for a 750mhz PIII, why not buy a Tbird 900?; it's cheaper Sorry, you said you didn't want price to come in to it.
    I definately wouldn't get a P4 yet though, intel will probably have to recall them a few times to get them working

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    Seeinh as you have brought up price here is how it stands in my country (NZ)

    ---Processor---|-Manu.-|-Price-
    Th. 750 -------- AMD ---- 259.33
    Th. 800 -------- AMD ---- 388.08
    Th. 900 -------- AMD ---- 483.84
    Th. 1GhZ ------- AMD ---- 624.38
    Th. 1.2GhZ ----- AMD ---- 867.88

    PIII 700 ----- Intel ---- 478.80
    PIII 800 ----- Intel ---- 674.33
    PIII 900EB --- Intel ---- 1,130.74
    PIII 1GhZ ---- Intel ---- 1,541.93

    So theres some more useless information to add to your collection. The exnchange rate, at exact time of posting (it is changing alot at the moment), was 0.437$ which is down slightly from 20mins ago!

    I will post again with my opinions...just so i dont confuse.



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    Opinions!!!...

    CPU: The thunderbird is my top pick, i dont think intel are really in the ballpark at this point in time. They have the barnd and lets face it alot of people still trust that brand. But i think AMD have had to gain their market share through producing quality products at the leading edge, not through having a brand name from the start.

    F1: Ferrari are dirty cheats. I am sure they pay those people to jump over the barriers and invade the cars so a fair examination of their illegal parts can not be called "valid". I think F1 is rigged!!!

    Oh and what is your pick for m/b's everyone?
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    AMDs are definitely cheaper. And when I build a new computer I'll probably buy an AMD over an Intel

    By the way. Checking Pricewatch.com

    Thunderbird Socket- A 1.2GHz (200Mhz Bus) - OEM - $269 USD

    PentiumŪ III 1GHz EB 133Mhz, 256K Cache, FCPGA(Flip Chip) -OEM - $439

    Big Price Difference.

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    Things are always more expensive over here. Once you take into account the exchange rate they are comparable. I quoted prices in NZ$.

    One reason i started this discussion is becuase im off to start buying the hardware for a new system tomorrow. I am very exited...i am upgrading from my 633mhz celeron II. I dont like intel anymore!

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    The Thunderburd is hands down better than a Pentium III or IV. It's cheaper and more powerful, what more could you ask for?

    And this is coming from someone who is using a Pentium III too.

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    Out of interest anyone got anything to say about the Duron's? Why are they so much cheaper, i assume that they must be missing something (features wise) and that makes them cheaper!
    Aidan i know you know your hardware back to front any ops. on the durons?

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    Oh and aspen not sure if you are at all interested but i quoted from this site http://www.ascent.co.nz/. I have never brought anything from them (accept a scrolling mouse..) but they are usually a good benchmark of the current prices that hardware is trading at here in new zealand.
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    AMD, for the price and performance they beat Intel.

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    I would definitely go with the Thunderbird - I recently upgraded to a TBird 800 and have been really pleased with the performance of the computer since.
    The Duron - its basically a cut-down Thunderbird. It really is fantastic for those on a lower budget - I think its just not got as much cache as the Tbird. Or something like that - I know quite a few people who have one and are happy with it.

    I think the definite performance gains of going AMD over Intel, plus the huge price differences, should have made up your mind already

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    Originally posted by mad-onion
    Out of interest anyone got anything to say about the Duron's? Why are they so much cheaper, i assume that they must be missing something (features wise) and that makes them cheaper!
    Aidan i know you know your hardware back to front any ops. on the durons?

    The Duron procs have less L2 cache memory (64 kb) further they're nearly equal to the TBird.

    I'd prefer the TBird over the Intel proc. Why? AMD procs have proven themselves to be better with certain things (like gaming), they lead to more stable systems, are easier to overclock and they're dirt-cheap

    I've currently a Duron 600 PC, MSI KT7 Pro mobo, running Win2k and it's perfect (except for Windows ).

    If I would buy a TBird now, I'd take a mobo that has the AMD 760 chipset on it. Probably one from MSI.
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    Ok so i took some time to read up a little on the durons vs. thinderbirds.
    I am now more confused than ever .
    Seeing as i rarely play games i dont think the thunderbird has many advantages for me over the duron.
    Why does buying a computer have to be some **** troublesome? LOL

    Anyway i now think i may actually buy a duron...maybe 800Mhz...i am going to be in my usual state of panic when i have to make a decision...i will have to flip a coin or something!..
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    A Duron is just as good for games and very overclockable 700->1050 with an HB pencil! Admitadly we do have an Alpha fan on it which helps it along.

    There is practically no difference between a Duron and a TBird, same situation Intel had with Celerons with Cache and the P2/3 at the same clock speed.
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    Originally posted by Karl
    A Duron is just as good for games and very overclockable 700->1050 with an HB pencil! Admitadly we do have an Alpha fan on it which helps it along.

    There is practically no difference between a Duron and a TBird, same situation Intel had with Celerons with Cache and the P2/3 at the same clock speed.
    Actually there's a huge difference between the Celeron 'Cache-enabled' and the P2/3. The Celeron has only a FSB at 66 MHz, while the FSB of the P2/3 is 100 MHz and I thought even higher for the P3 (not sure, though).

    There's also quite a difference between the Duron and TBird. When you see Benchmarks of those two procs, you see that the TBird is doing better. This is probably due to the much bigger L2 cache of the TBird.

    The Celeron and Duron are also a different story: First the speed of the FSB, the Celeron is here the big loser. Running games, the Celeron, although it has 128 kb L2 cache, has a hard time giving a reasonable frame-rate, while the Duron has no trouble at all. When you benchmark them, you can see that the 800 MHz Celeron is being outperformed by a 500 MHz Duron.

    So my advice: Get a Duron, or if you play lots of games and have some money to burn, get a TBird.

    A P4 shouldn't even come up in your thoughts, unless you like wasting your money on a PC which will only play games faster than any other Pentium and AMD proc, while it's noticable slower on other tasks.
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    lol... threads like this become nearly always flame wars when posted at hardware forums like ATF
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    I should have mentioned that everyone I know who runs a Celeron runs it on 100Mhz Bus speed

    As for the Celeron, Intel have announced and 800 running on a 100Mhz Bus to compete with the duron both price and performance wise.
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    Hehe... that kind of statements always make me laugh

    The Celeron compete with the Duron? Intel would wish they could...

    Even a 600 MHz Duron can outperform a 1 GHz Celeron.
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    Is it true that the P4's have 400FSB?

    Something i saw somewhere! Maybe i read it wrong, or maybe it was just "wrong"!
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    Originally posted by mad-onion
    1. It is like having an F1 fan that doesnt like McLaren nor Ferrari...McLaren are best of course but not everyone knows that.
    2. F1: Ferrari are dirty cheats. I am sure they pay those people to jump over the barriers and invade the cars so a fair examination of their illegal parts can not be called "valid". I think F1 is rigged!!!
    LOL! You believe everything what 'they' tell you. Ferrari doesn't cheat. They can't afford it to cheat. You know what kind of budget that team has? All paid by sponsors, who would all leave of course, if the team brings them a bad reputation. Why should McLaren be the best? Ferrari has the most expertise (have been in F1 racing from the start), Ferrari currently has the best driver (M Schumacher) AND the biggest budget. The only thing McLaren has the best is the designer (A Newey). McLaren has been in the news for cheating far more than Ferrari was. Oh you call that innovating? LOL!

    ANyway over to AMD vs Pentium.... I have an AMD K6-2 in my computer and Windows has been running so stable under it. I also never have problems when playing games, and it's pretty cool behind my PC (so no over-heating). Therefore I would say AMD, also because Intel is an AOL-kind of company in my eyes. They offer processors way overpriced and bring on products like Celeron to fool people who are new to computers. OOH wow! an Intel 450mhz that must be good, while the celeron 450 was twice as bad as the Intel PII 250.

    My two cents

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    You are right, mad-onion. The P4 does have a quad-pumped FSB at 100 MHz, so that in theory it can reach 400 MHz.

    Weakest point of the P4 is that it has only 64 kb L2 Cache memory. This is because the P4 proc is designed to minimize the latency caused by the inefficient RDRAM (AKA Rambus memory).

    Since RDRAM has such a high latency, only with memory-intensive programs, like gaming, you'll notice higher speeds. For most other programs (a Photoshop session for example), the P4 will go slower than the average P3.

    Replacing RDRAM with SDRAM is not a possibility.

    Soon there will be DDR RAM and (AMD) procs to run with it. You'll rather wait on those.
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    that dual posting was not me, i just went to edit the post and it duplicated the original post............argggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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    Ok so i wet off the the computer store this morning with my little list. I had decided i would build a completely new machine, the old (er) one is just going to be...i dont know anyway thats all beside the point.

    So i go to the the computer store work in with my little list, otherwise i would forget something...i once forgot to buy a HDD..lol!

    I had already rung up and got the prices for everything, you would think the silly women on the end of the phone could have told me that there was no delivery of durons or thunderbirds until monday.
    So i have purchased everything accept the m/b and cpu.

    But i have to wait another 70 something hours to get my new computer...sometimes life is so evil!!!

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    Lucky guy

    I had to wait a whole weekend before I got everything, except a few small things, like the monitor and zipdrive

    I had to use my old 15" monitor for two days...
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