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    to use frames or to not use frames

    hola...

    I am working on a site and I am thinking of using frames... I used to use them all the time but I broke myself out of the habit since some people claimed frames to be problematic

    I would like to hear your opinions on the subject
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troylegra
    hola...

    I am working on a site and I am thinking of using frames... I used to use them all the time but I broke myself out of the habit since some people claimed frames to be problematic

    I would like to hear your opinions on the subject
    I don't use them because they are, IMO, problematic. Although I think that people should keep their browsers and machines up to date, still a lot of surfers don't seem to hold my opinion! If they have frames disabled in their browsers, that means my page will display poorly unless I also have a no-frames page. Why do the work twice when you can do it once?

    Another point is that just like everthing else, each browser type may or may not present them as I intended.
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    Why do you want to use frames? I dont think they have any place on the web today. Take a look at how many big popular sites use frames, you can probably count them on one hand, if you even need to count at all. Try to get out of this habit now, before you are dependent on it.

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    Frames finish with XHTML 1.0. XHTML 1.1 has no facility for frames, neither does XHTML 2.0, at least in the way of those currently in use.

    Search engines don't like frames - your site can be missed entirely.
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    Additionally frames stop people bookmarking your site properly because you always end up bookmarking the frame page that has a fixed set of pages. So people can only ever bookmark your index page not any sub-pages.

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    I don't use frames for sites, however, I am using them in the administration panel for the script I'm writing (the admin panel is very similar to vB's, which also uses frames).
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    Post Frames for admin site only

    I use frames for admin sites for several sites I have built for customers. It's basically 2 rows, with the second only being about 40 pixels high. I do that to mask all of the URLs associated with form submissions, etc. That way, if they have a problem, they can just reload and get back to the middle.

    But I wouldn't use them on their actual Web site, and advise all people to strip them. The only place I have seen them in "common" commercial usage is for online banking, much to my dismay...

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    Frames are not worth the trouble IMHO. The disadvantages outweight the advantages by far.
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    hmmmm... thank you all for the input

    I guess the frame site is going the way of the dinosaur

    thanx again!
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    I think frames aren't too bad if they are used properly. Usually, sites that work well with frames are ones that only require one frame to scroll, either that or no scrolling at all.

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    I use:

    #frame {
    width:100%;
    height:100%;
    overflow: scroll;
    }
    <div id="frame">content</div>

    Same effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by zivo
    I use frames for admin sites
    Same here. I only use frames for admin sites and that is only sometimes. I don't use it for actual websites either. Although, there was a time where I couldn't get enough of frames.
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    Use frames only if you need it. (I think never, but...) With CSS you can achieve many things as the same way using frames.

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    one of the most debatable topics SPF has seen, and well, the time has changed... NO FRAMES, is what everyone says..

    But Frames was one thing that was used a lot in one time,.. and since CSS or XHTML wasn't available or popular, having frames was considered to be the best way have menubars/sections.. but today, not only they don't open for many ppl(browser settings) but they look bad, and unpopular, also a lot of other problems as they've been mentioned above ....

    i'd say don't use frames, for whatever kind of page you need; there are better technological options out there to enhance your page

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