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    client wants animations and blinking text everywhere

    I have a client who wants to have everything be an animated gif or blinking text. I have tried to convince him otherwise but to no avail. Now I am looking for articles / references where I can show him why it is a bad idea to prove my point. I've found a few articles online but was wondering if anyone has encountered this before and had some good resources I could access.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Are epilepsy and dyslexia enough reasons to convince the client otherwise? Tell her to use blinking and animation wisely and tastefully. Yes it can be done correctly as long as it's not overused.

    http://www.doe.tased.edu.au/wiseweb/.../animation.htm
    http://www.cpcug.org/user/clemenzi/t...ples/Taboo.htm

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    Aside from accessibility, it's annoying!
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    i agree against the use of such things, but doesn't it come down to one of those...
    "if that is what they want and will pay for it, then do it"
    ...situations?

    if you go beyond your initial attempt of disuading them, and actually finally convince them to not use such things, is the client really going to be happy with the end results and their "choice"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by htmlite
    "if that is what they want and will pay for it, then do it"
    It is always a good idea to listen to your clients and keep them happy , but the webpage you build is a representation of your professionalism and your knowledge of web design. By creating a site like that you're showing future potential clients how unprofessional you are and possibly giving a wrong impression of the web to newbie designers.

    My $.02

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    sometimes if the client doesn't trust your professionalism it is best to fire them...
    But it is also best to show them something better and more appropriate than the mistakes they might think they want

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    Have a look at Point 10 in the following article: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyShark
    Have a look at Point 10 in the following article: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html
    yes you could show your client JN's top ten... but after invoking Nielsen could you still sleep at night

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    Quote Originally Posted by pissant
    yes you could show your client JN's top ten... but after invoking Nielsen could you still sleep at night
    What do you mean by that...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyShark
    What do you mean by that...?
    pretty much as you took it a joke
    although I do hate the dude, once you wash out his "the web should be all text" mantra there is some good stuff in his message...
    But the dude bugs me!
    plus those sideburns?
    what's up with that?

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    1 word.

    Geocities

    If he's a local client, kick him in the nuts for me.

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    Client is F -ed, response is redirect client LOL

    read somewhere <blink> is evil, just tell 'em that. put the fear of God in them..

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    or, you could always point them to this thread, maybe then they can see your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pissant
    plus those sideburns?
    what's up with that?
    Don't knock the sideburns...! Who said Elvis was dead?

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    I think you're wasting your time trying to convince the client otherwise. They may be misguided, but they know what they want and they didn't hire you to change their mind.

    You just have to decide what's more important. If it's money, shut up and start typing those <blink> tags. If it's your reputation, politely decline to work with the client.

    If it's both, do the job the way they want and leave it out of your portfolio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moncur
    I think you're wasting your time trying to convince the client otherwise. They may be misguided, but they know what they want and they didn't hire you to change their mind.
    I've been in this situation before. While yes, the client wants a site their way, they're also hiring you for your expertise. Otherwise they'd do the site themselves or get their uncle Bob with FrontPage to do it. Since you're being hired for your expertise, the least you can do is explain the drawbacks to their approach and ask them to consider some alternatives, which you should also furnish if you're offering a dissenting opinion.

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    Agree with Vinnie. You've gotta live.

    So here's the deal.

    Do the site their way.

    State your reservations.

    When you've got paid for it, (and only when) tip us the wink then we'll all go there an send emails to your client saying that the site is (deleted before admin gets here) awful and that they ought to have listened to their designer in the first place.

    When they come back you'll get paid for doing the work twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moncur
    I think you're wasting your time trying to convince the client otherwise. They may be misguided, but they know what they want and they didn't hire you to change their mind.

    You just have to decide what's more important. If it's money, shut up and start typing those <blink> tags. If it's your reputation, politely decline to work with the client.

    If it's both, do the job the way they want and leave it out of your portfolio.
    I have to agree with the 2nd part of this - but I don't think it's a waste of time advising the client of best practices.

    However, if they really want the blinking then why not do it? After all, they're paying the bill. Your concience will be clean if you've advised them otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyShark
    However, if they really want the blinking then why not do it? After all, they're paying the bill. Your concience will be clean if you've advised them otherwise.
    There's also the possibility of missing the opportunity for the clien'ts comedic value. This is prime material for evenings of beer drinking and shop talk with your buddies.

    I really like John's idea though, cuz you don't even know if someone that likes this much flash will be able to pay, so first get that check, and then we can all send emails, and hopefully sponsor the re-vision in a shorter amount of time than usual. Sounds good - right LOL

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    Personally I think he should walk away from it if the client can't be convinced to not go the blinking/animated image route. The reason being is that visitors to the site will be annoyed by it, just like they're annoyed by spam and popup ads that blink and animate. No one likes to have their attention forced by desperate measures.

    As a business, you have to represent your image. If your image is accessibility and efficient designs, uphold that. My dad has a talent agency, and he used to hire out strip-o-grams, but when his reputation suffered and money was lost, he quickly realized that a better image was needed.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by mattjb
    As a business, you have to represent your image. If your image is accessibility and efficient designs, uphold that.
    You know, I really agree with that. There was a corporate job I got hired for right out of college, and the pay was good and there was even a new workstation in it, but when I found out they were running knock off viagra and valtrex backdoor sites (spam city), and 24 hr payday crap -- that was really a turn off, not to mention that they had not been up front, during the first interview, about having beginnings in the adult industry. I spent my first day browsing a 3D animation web site, rather than becoming familiar with their product. Needless to say, I left and never came back!

    So it's true, sometimes you have to stick by your convictions.

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