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    Question Differences between IE and NS (bugs?)

    Is there somewhere or an article that lists and defines the differences and limitations of the common browsers with CSS code? I'm thinking particularly of workarounds and differences between Netscape 6x onwards and IE 5.x and onwards?

    I have a specific problem that's probably a doddle for some of you:

    The page http://www.designbrook.com/test/services.htm has a left-hand column that, with the height set to 100%, displays just dandy in N'scape but only to the bottom of the screen in IE. When I scroll down, the left-hand column (with background colour), scrolls up the screen instead of continuing to display to the bottom.

    What am I doing wrong please?

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    PS I posted this by mistake in the Webdesign section so apologies if you've seen it before
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    I was going to suggest that onLoad of body you use Javascript to set the height of sidebanner to be the same as document.getElementById('mainpage').height however I can't seem to get a value for that element property

    i.e. when I alert document.getElementById('mainpage').height on page load, I get "undefined".

    Odd.

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    Thanks Andy.

    I don't want to use J'script if I can avoid it and seem to remember somewhere reading that as much as 10% of people have it disabled in their browsers too.

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    For what you're trying to achieve, I don't think that you can avoid using Javascript. CSS isn't the all-singing, all-dancing miracle that its converts would have you believe


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    Is there somewhere or an article that lists and defines the differences and limitations of the common browsers with CSS code? I'm thinking particularly of workarounds and differences between Netscape 6x onwards and IE 5.x and onwards?
    This is the best CSS compatibility chart I've seen: http://www.westciv.com.au/style_mast...ort/index.html

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    Don't want to take this thread off-topic, but - although that page is probably great at what it does - isn't it one of the ugliest, most basic pages that you've ever seen?

    The gripe that I have about CSS-only websites is that either the people who design them have no sense of what looks good, or CSS is just no good for design.


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    isn't it one of the ugliest, most basic pages that you've ever seen?
    No. Believe me, I've seen FAR worse than that

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    Quote Originally Posted by awestmoreland
    The gripe that I have about CSS-only websites is that either the people who design them have no sense of what looks good, or CSS is just no good for design.
    CSS is not a design limitation. Usually a plain-jane CSS site is the result of an inexperienced designer getting his/her feet wet or it's what the site calls for (no-frills, etc.). It's like blaming Macromedia for bad Flash intros. It's the author's fault, not the software or standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia
    CSS is not a design limitation. Usually a plain-jane CSS site is the result of an inexperienced designer getting his/her feet wet or it's what the site calls for (no-frills, etc.).
    Do you have any examples of CSS-only sites that look impressive? It's a genuine question as IMO they stand out a mile by being very basic due to the limitations of standards-compliant CSS.

    The "new" look SPF compared to the old look is a prime example for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by awestmoreland
    Do you have any examples of CSS-only sites that look impressive? It's a genuine question as IMO they stand out a mile by being very basic due to the limitations of standards-compliant CSS.
    http://www.csszengarden.com/
    http://www.mezzoblue.com/
    http://www.deviantart.com/

    If you need any more I'll be happy to look around and give you more links .

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    "The page has a left-hand column that, with the height set to 100%, displays just dandy in N'scape but only to the bottom of the screen in IE. When I scroll down, the left-hand column (with background colour), scrolls up the screen instead of continuing to display to the bottom".

    I've gone with the suggestion from another forum where I set the background colour to the one I want for the column and put the body material in a main/body container. A little crude but it works mostly as I want it to.

    Still can't see why the height is fine in NS but not IE though.
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    Oh sorry, thanks to all for the help and thoughts. I have to agree with Vinnie too though that it's the designer rather than the tools (CSS) that's the limitation and would definitley agree with the choice of sites to illustrate the way CSS can be used to produce beautiful sites.
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    I think that you just proved my point actually

    Maybe it's down to personal taste, but IMO they look awful and you can tell at a glance that it's because they use CSS-only. The sites you mention I could just as easily have sent as my evidence


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    Actually, I think we both proved another point: looks are subjective .
    Quote Originally Posted by awestmoreland
    I think that you just proved my point actually

    Maybe it's down to personal taste, but IMO they look awful and you can tell at a glance that it's because they use CSS-only. The sites you mention I could just as easily have sent as my evidence


    Andy


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