How do I hide my HTML code from others?

**i_like_php** · Oct 2, 2003, 14:06

unless your code is a goverment secret then it's pointless to try and hide your code...

**Dr Livingston** · Oct 2, 2003, 14:09

goverment secret

What goverment on this planet would upload their secrets huh ? Even on a public, though protected server I ask...

None that I'd think

**i_like_php** · Oct 2, 2003, 14:39

Originally Posted by Dr Livingston

What goverment on this planet would upload their secrets huh ? Even on a public, though protected server I ask...

None that I'd think [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

i know that's why i said that LOL

**CeleronXL** · Oct 2, 2003, 14:48

I don't know why it's banned from Opera, worked fine in there (pretty much).

Same for Firebird.

**Dr Livingston** · Oct 2, 2003, 14:58

Just picked up Site Points new Tribune and funny enough there is this link in an advert

http://www.aw-soft.com/htmlguard.html

--EDIT--

Might be some what secure though it goes in the face of web page usability;

Suppose if you've got $15 and you like to waste money, then why not eh ?

**Jeff Lange** · Oct 2, 2003, 15:55

Originally Posted by Devilware.net

IIRC a way around HTML encryption is to stick the following in your address bar:

Code:

javascript:a='<pre>'%20+%20document.getElementsByTagName('html')[0].innerHTML.replace(/&/g,%20'&amp;').replace(/</g,%20'&lt;').replace(/>/g,%20'&gt;').replace(/"/g,%20'&quot;')%20+%20'</pre>';

Then you get the full, proper HTML for the page

-Sam

Looks like something I posted a while back

.

In any case, no, you CANNOT protect your HTML/Javascript/CSS/Images/Flash files!!

(Well flash to a certain extent, but there are flash decompilers.)

**mattjacob** · Oct 2, 2003, 16:20

Originally Posted by coo_t2

Develop your own web browser that fetches html/javascript and then converts it to a proprietary format. You'd also have to write a parsing and rendering engine that works on the proprietary formatted code.
Then you would have to have people download your special web browser so that your HTML page can be viewed.
It's really not that difficult. I don't know why everybody says it is.

Haha!

**SJH** · Oct 2, 2003, 22:47

Originally Posted by Jeff Lange

Looks like something I posted a while back [img]images/smilies/wink.gif[/img].

Probably is, actually

-Sam

**frezno** · Oct 3, 2003, 01:16

Originally Posted by i_like_php

unless your code is a goverment secret

and if so? governments are frauding us anyways.
So whatever would be written down there it's not true, so i don't care

BTW, in one of my programs there's a function called government:

PHP Code:


function government($howlong)
{
    sleep($howlong);
}

as you can see, it does nothing but waiting for better times

**hpnadig** · Oct 3, 2003, 10:10

Originally Posted by Zaire

Put all your javascript in a file named .php

Put a referrer list in there, and check referrers, so if it's not a certin domain name, it can't be downloaded and viewed...

Then it's just <script language="Javascript" src="js.php"></script>

I believe that would work.. but then again not sure, didn't bother to try it... but I would think it would.

-Eric

I've tried this before... But what do we do for preventing users from direcly accessing it? Can we chmod the file with no access to the public? Or would that mean even my page wouldn't have acces to it?

**hpnadig** · Oct 3, 2003, 10:15

Originally Posted by Devilware.net

Sorry, I'm not sure exactly what you mean here...would you mind clarifying?

-Sam

well, we won't be uploading the full size photo or Image, wright?
One can sell his photo after just displaying the smaller size one..

**hpnadig** · Oct 3, 2003, 10:19

Just wondering...

Is there a Javascript solution for this?

**Chuckie** · Oct 3, 2003, 10:24

Originally Posted by hpnadig

Is there any method using php by which I can hide my code ( HTML) from user. i.e to make it invisible on 'View Source'?

Ahh, the great debate, HTML trade secrets..

As it's been said many times before, if you don't want people to view your page source don't post a website on the Internet. There are all kinds of HTML source hiding tactics none of which is 100 percent secure.

**Jeff Lange** · Oct 3, 2003, 12:41

Originally Posted by hpnadig

Just wondering...

Is there a Javascript solution for this?

You cannot prevent people from viewing your source. It's just not possible.

**hpnadig** · Oct 17, 2003, 10:40

well, the debate ends with no result...

heard recently about php files being converted to executables who's code can't be read ( some kind of Zend encoder is made use of I heard )
would that solve our problems?

**vgarcia** · Oct 17, 2003, 10:51

Originally Posted by hpnadig

well, the debate ends with no result...

heard recently about php files being converted to executables who's code can't be read ( some kind of Zend encoder is made use of I heard )

Your PHP code would be the only code obfuscated/hidden; your HTML and Javascript would still show.

Originally Posted by hpnadig

would that solve our problems?

I have no problem with people seeing my HTML or Javascript. What's the big deal? If somebody's that flattered by my work that they'd copy it, more power to them. If they start making money behind my back and off of my reputation then I'll sue the hell out of them, but if it's just somebody who wants to learn from my stuff or set up a personal website with similar features, then steal away.

**jofa** · Oct 17, 2003, 10:59

Use server side script to read the html etc, and create 1024x768 px images of the pages?

Could affect bandwidth usage a little bit, however

**davidjmedlock** · Oct 17, 2003, 11:00

let's put it this way, if someone with malicious intentions can hack into databases of large corporations with people who's entire job is to secure data, what makes you think that there will be any way to protect plain, simple, HTML code from getting hacked by someone with the right knowledge and experience?

**Gaheris** · Oct 17, 2003, 11:47

Originally Posted by coo_t2

Develop your own web browser that fetches html/javascript and then converts it to a proprietary format. You'd also have to write a parsing and rendering engine that works on the proprietary formatted code.
Then you would have to have people download your special web browser so that your HTML page can be viewed.

No this isn't good enough since I could grab those incoming packets.
You'd better write your own binary format for webpages with a strong built-in encryption and you will still need your own webbrowser. But hey, someone could still crack your program and peek into the memory. Well, pack and encrypt your program (this should keep those novices out) and don't forget you own anti softice trick (frogice kill almost all of them).
I don't know but this is way to insecure.

Pah, you could, of course, design your own new revolutionary super-security computer with microsoft-type bugs included but someone would crack it for sure. The best way to secure your HTML would be not to write it down and not to talk about it. Then, the only thing you would need to do would be to hope that nobody develops a talent for telepathy.
Good enough for you? </sarcasm> (Yikes! You saw a piece of my code!)

**ChaCha** · Oct 17, 2003, 11:54

How about a more out of the box idea...

You could write an xml 1.0 dtd or schema describing elements with non-html names, apply a css stylesheet to it on the browser, so that your tag called "<divider>" behaves like a "<div>" (only make the names more cryptic. Then absolutely position a clear gif 100% wide and really long (like 2000px) high. As the user scrolls, use javascript tol reposition the gif to the top of the viewable area. This way, if someone wants to copy text they can't very easily, and copying the source would mean just copying your xml.

**Gaheris** · Oct 17, 2003, 12:05

You need more than a DTD and CSS to simulate (X)HTML.

**mattjacob** · Oct 17, 2003, 17:35

Originally Posted by Gaheris

You need more than a DTD and CSS to simulate (X)HTML.

Huh?

**RocketMan** · Oct 17, 2003, 21:41

Free Obfuscating HTML EncoderThe obfuscating HTML encoder is an easy to install PHP script that obfuscates all your HTML output into a coded form, making analysis of your HTML pages almost impossible.

Go see: http://www.ioncube.com

... and look at the free HTML Encoder

**Gaheris** · Oct 18, 2003, 00:49

Originally Posted by mattjacob

Huh?

Got a problem?

**Phil.Roberts** · Oct 18, 2003, 01:03

Are we STILL talking about this stupid non-subject?

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