js problems with firebird?

**dethfire** · Sep 10, 2003 21:31

I was following this tutorial tonight:
http://www.pageresource.com/dhtml/jtut1.htm

and it doesn't work in firebird, seems pretty basic to me

**Cam** · Sep 11, 2003 00:03

Firebird is still very new and probably wouldn't have the best Javascript/DHTML support around. It will come one day, just not yet I wouldn't think.

**dethfire** · Sep 11, 2003 00:25

haha, i love browsers, one of the more css compliant browsers has js troubles.

**Mr. Brownstone** · Sep 11, 2003 00:58

The example doesn’t work in Mozilla 1.5 either.

I’ll delve deeper into the code later, but I’d say it’s more like a case of shoddy coding as opposed to a shoddy browser.

**patrikG** · Sep 11, 2003 02:10

Looks like an old DHTML-tutorial with IE-proprietary tags to me (document.all) - back from the days when IE4 was bliss as it had some kind of coherent DOM compared to NS4+.

**Cam** · Sep 11, 2003 03:01

There you go, shows how much I know

**vgarcia** · Sep 11, 2003 05:24

Originally Posted by patrikG

Looks like an old DHTML-tutorial with IE-proprietary tags to me (document.all) - back from the days when IE4 was bliss as it had some kind of coherent DOM compared to NS4+.

Yep, document.all[] and document.layers[].

Someone needs to update their scripts!

**dethfire** · Sep 11, 2003 07:22

Originally Posted by vgarcia

Yep, document.all[] and document.layers[].

Someone needs to update their scripts!

Take those out and it still doesn't work

**kgish** · Sep 11, 2003 11:54

Mozilla still has a long ways to go I am afraid...

**patrikG** · Sep 11, 2003 13:43

Actually, Mozilla has the best DOM I know (I am not that familiar with Konqueror) - with the Gecko layout engine it uses probably the most W3-standard compliant and advanced engine there is.
In terms of Javascript implementation, IE (and Operah to a much lesser extent) have a long way to go when compared to Mozilla.
I don't have a link handy to prove my point - hope to provide it after the weekend.

**Technosailor** · Sep 11, 2003 13:45

how does Mozilla have a long way to go? If the script was standards based it would work fine. You can't plug in old code and expect it to work properly.

**dethfire** · Sep 11, 2003 13:53

Originally Posted by Sketch

how does Mozilla have a long way to go? If the script was standards based it would work fine. You can't plug in old code and expect it to work properly.

Is this invaild old code, because this little snipplet doesn't work in firebird

Code:

 var picture=document.image1;
     if (picture.left<400)
       picture.left=400;

what site has the best up-to-date js tutorials then?

**patrikG** · Sep 11, 2003 13:56

You can't plug in old code and expect it to work properly.

Old, proprietary (i.e. non-standard compliant) code that is.

It comes handy to remember that Javascript was not invented by Microsoft, but Netscape and that, just like CSS, the standards the W3 Consortium set years ago are only now being implemented and abided to.
Just because Mozilla is a relatively "new" browser, doesn't mean it has a buggy DOM-implementation or the like. On the contrary.

To prove my point, create a HTML-document containing:

<html>
<form>
<input type crash>
</form>
</html>

View the file in IE and it will crash the browser. Try it with other browsers and you may get an idea of why standards are important.

**kgish** · Sep 11, 2003 23:44

Originally Posted by patrikG

Actually, Mozilla has the best DOM I know (I am not that familiar with Konqueror) - with the Gecko layout engine it uses probably the most W3-standard compliant and advanced engine there is.
In terms of Javascript implementation, IE (and Operah to a much lesser extent) have a long way to go when compared to Mozilla.
I don't have a link handy to prove my point - hope to provide it after the weekend.

Sorry, I know this is a sensitive subject and it was not my intention to initiate a browser war type of discussion.

All I know is that from my own experience, whenever I try to implement standards compliant stuff, often enough it just doesn't quite look right in Mozilla and/or Firebird. Too much padding, borders missing top and left, floating elements that do not appear where they are supposed to, that kind of thing.

Could be that I have unknowingly become brain-washed by my bad habits over the years, that I am missing the gist somewhere.

But it is still a touchy area which needs some time before it even gets close to perfection, you have to admit.

**TheOriginalH** · Sep 12, 2003 03:12

I will admit. But the use of standards compliant css code (even with IE hacks) is closer to internet perfection than we've ever had. Code only for Firebird and you have perfection

**patrikG** · Sep 15, 2003 05:41

Sorry, I know this is a sensitive subject and it was not my intention to initiate a browser war type of discussion.

It isn't my intent either, what I am trying to point out is that Mozilla and Mozilla Firebird are, in my view, superior to every browser I have seen because of a truly hierarchical DOM that other browsers (including IE) are still aspiring to achieve, great adherence to standards, scalability and development and integration of new ideas.

Of course those browsers aren't perfect, but they are a giant's leap further towards that goal.

Is this invaild old code, because this little snipplet doesn't work in firebird

Code:

var picture=document.image1; if (picture.left<400) picture.left=400;

what site has the best up-to-date js tutorials then?

left is a NS4 proprietary tag.

I am not very up-to-date on where good online javascript tutorials are, but I would have a look at some at www.webmonkey.com.

**vgarcia** · Sep 15, 2003 06:33

Originally Posted by dethfire

what site has the best up-to-date js tutorials then?

http://devedge.netscape.com/central/javascript/
Read the Javascript references.

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