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    Confused

    Ok, I've been working through Kevin Yank's MySQL&PHP book, I've got
    my idea for my web site, now how do I go about building it? Free is
    best, but I don't mind spending money if the product makes my life
    easier.

    Which tools do I need to have?
    - Dreamweaver, FrontPage, wordpad, Editize...
    - CMS system?

    What would my directory structure be?
    - Does the above tools take care of this?

    What about SCM and version control?

    I'm very new to web development, but not to software development.
    At what point in my development cycle should a tool purchase be
    made. For instance, I could develop the db and the PHP code and
    have a "black and white" website, one with no frills, then buy a
    product. I also don't want to re-invent anything...

    Sorry for the rambling,
    Brian

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    You don't need super tools to create a cool looking website. All you need to write your code is notepad (don't use wordpad - can cause formatting problems). I use notepad all the time. Just make changes, save and reload the browser you are using to view your pages. All the tools do is provide some help and basically list all the different tags for you.

    Your standard browser is used to view your pages, but you will need the parsing program to view php scripts. Personally, I use the PHP Dev package from firepages. It's free.

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    Hello,

    Basically, Microsoft Windows Notepad and a server will be fine, as Devil Cat noted. Once you get more advanced, though, you might want macros and syntax highlighting, and things like Zend Studio and Macromedia Dreamweaver help there.

    You don't really need SCM or version control, as that's basically just for compiled languages and systems, like Microsoft .Net.

    If you want a CMS, you can either write that yourself, or use one of the many available, like PHPWebSite and PostNuke.

    And don't worry about reinventing things (particularly the wheel)... that's how you learn.

    Good luck with your development. [img]images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    Compuwhiz7

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    don't forget graphics.
    if you're making a site then the way it looks is just as (if not more) important than the way it works

    Obviously Photoshop is the way to go if you can afford it, however Jasc's Paint Shop Pro is a very very useful alternative at a fraction of the cost.

    good luck!
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    Photoshop for graphics and if you need a wsiwyg then Dreamweaver. Macromedia just released their MX 2004 versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compuwhiz7
    Once you get more advanced, though, you might want macros and syntax highlighting,
    Actually, if you are staying in a semi-manual mode, I have found UltraEdit-32 to be very good. It does provide syntax highlighting for html, XML, Perl, java, php and several others, plus you can define the syntax for languages it does not include. You can also create macros and templates for repetative work. A feature I like is that it incorporates HTML Tidy. For $40-ish, it is a very good bargain for a powerful editor.

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    Hello,

    Good point, Keriam. I just couldn't remember the name of those cheaper ones, and I was to lazy to run a search.

    I, do, however doubt that UltraEdit supports ASP.Net... obviously, that's not Brian's problem, but it rules it out for me, which is why I have no experience with it.

    Compuwhiz7

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    Quote Originally Posted by compuwhiz7
    I, do, however doubt that UltraEdit supports ASP.Net...
    Actually, the newest version does support ASP.

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    Ugh, I hate Dreamweaver MX, it's so different from the last one, and it's changed for the worse. The nav on it sucks! A pile of arrows, etc. Are you able to revert Dreamweaver MX to the nav and stuff of Dreamweaver 4 Ultradev without having to remove it--I don't want to un-install, I still want all the features, but want it to be window-style nav.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tntcheats
    Ugh, I hate Dreamweaver MX, it's so different from the last one, and it's changed for the worse. The nav on it sucks! A pile of arrows, etc. Are you able to revert Dreamweaver MX to the nav and stuff of Dreamweaver 4 Ultradev without having to remove it--I don't want to un-install, I still want all the features, but want it to be window-style nav.
    reinvent the wheel, recode Dreamweaver you'll learn a lot D

    brian928: don't use notepad! There're a some good and totally free (some of them are open source) text editors. You'll write faster and you gonna make less mistake.

    For the server... I recommend Appserv (search appserv in google or sourceforge.net). It will install a package. It contains Php, Mysql, and a web based mysql admin (called phpmyadmin and it's also open source). If you did this, you're close to be a web developer.

    For graphic stuff Photoshop is the "only" and really the best solution. You can see a lot of tutorials related to that program.

    Good luck! And don't forget us!

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    Hello,

    Quote Originally Posted by Keriam
    Actually, the new version does support [Microsoft] ASP.
    But Microsoft ASP.Net?

    Compuwhiz7

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    Quote Originally Posted by compuwhiz7
    But Microsoft ASP.Net? [img]images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]
    I found that:
    Programmer's Features
    -Syntax highlighting (user configurable):
    - Pre-configured for C/C++, VB, HTML, Java, and Perl
    -Special options for FORTRAN and LaTex
    - Support for up to 20 languages
    - Multiple wordfiles avaiable for download
    - Support for ASP
    - Allows different background colors
    - Support to highlight words beginning with a specified sub-string
    - Support for syntax highlighting based on file name
    - Color sections may be named
    - Font styles available
    So, I think it's "just" ASP, not ASP.NET.
    Cheers!

    I forgot... they say: Syntax highlighting is user configurable.... It's not a bad thing! maybe it can help you.

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    Try concepting the design first. Preferably in Fireworks which is also essential in optimising any graphical elements. Don't use it for its html export functions though.
    Last edited by Karst; Sep 15, 2003 at 02:51.

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    My humble opinion is that: People come to the web to get some information about what they're looking for. They are looking for articles, images... or ... for a date of concert. To know something new.
    If my job wasn't about developing for the web, I wouldn't really care much about the shapes of the buttons... gradients on pages etc...

    I would say: "I want something to read!"

    The first and more important thing is the content. Your visitors won't come back more than 2 or 3 times!... if you have no valuable content for them.

    Yesterday I spent half of my night on one site. It has white background and black text. That was all. I could easily read things... I wasn't care about "hey there's no flash, there're no nice navigation buttons" I was care about what I was reading. I could concentrate on the task of reading.

    You want to give design to your visitors?
    It's ok if you have a design company.

    You want to give content?
    Good choice. Don't really care about photoshop yet ... look for tutorials on php.

    ...
    What will you notice?
    ...
    hmmm ???
    ...
    You're watching buttons and logos?
    ...
    No... you're learning! Hey, it's the best thing! You've got what you want... what you are looking for. If the tutorial helps you... will you go back for another? Or you just go back to see again the design?

    *Most* of the best designs are simple and discreet. You need something in your mind, something like passions ( and also you need a gift ) to make good looking graphics. You'll not really learn that. You can't really learn that. But it's sure that more people are able to make a good program, than make a good design (IMHO).

    So it's your turn... What do you want to give your visitors?

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    amen, preacher
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    Quote Originally Posted by kish
    amen, preacher [img]images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]
    hmm... I'm gonna use that preacher thing if I'll be able to put it below my nick I like it DDD

    ohhh... what is that little white square thing on my clothe?
    uhhh and what is that stuff above my head? LOL

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    That's almost as scary as badgers

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    Quote Originally Posted by tntcheats
    That's almost as scary as badgers
    hehe :P

    I think I'll stay with the preacher stuff... it's more elegant than a skunk :P

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    Y'all,
    Thanks for the inputs. Since the my question(s) were scattered I got scattered answers. I'm also learning about the forum and the people
    here. I appreciate that nobody cut my head off

    How about we end this thread and I'll start another one with more
    specific questions?


    Thanks,
    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian928
    Y'all,
    Thanks for the inputs. Since the my question(s) were scattered I got scattered answers. I'm also learning about the forum and the people
    here. I appreciate that nobody cut my head off
    We don't bite....hard
    Quote Originally Posted by brian928
    How about we end this thread and I'll start another one with more
    specific questions?
    Go for it

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    why dont you want to build your own cms? its fun and you lean stuff? One other thing, i find very usefull for planning the development of a site. Flowcharts!! for Windows get a program called Parabens flowcharter. Im still trying to find a good one for MAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleeters
    why dont you want to build your own cms? its fun and you lean stuff? One other thing, i find very usefull for planning the development of a site. Flowcharts!! for Windows get a program called Parabens flowcharter. Im still trying to find a good one for MAC.
    hm... thx for the info :P

    I'm using smartdraw from smartdraw.com maybe mac is supported... give it a try!

    Cheers!


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