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    CSS Zen Garden Woes

    I apologize if this is not the appropriate forum, but I thought I'd mention something I read over at mezzoblue, the parent site for CSS Zen Garden.

    http://www.mezzoblue.com/cgi-bin/mt/...ves/000260.asp

    Apparently, Dave's having some difficulty with a miscreant who won't respect his request to stop treating the CSS files as templates and is instead repackaging them wholesale for redistribution. He's to the point of re-examining the licensing terms for the material on the site.
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    That really sucks Don't know why someone just thinks they can take other people's work.

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    Bound to happen.
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    He cannot stop anyone from taking the css wholesale, because he licensed it that way.

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    I know. Seems a bit of a bugger anyway :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum
    Don't know why someone just thinks they can take other people's work.
    Because that's how it was licensed.

    I imagine this has become a bigger learning experience for Dave than he expected.

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    I was refering more to the moral side of things

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    I believe that if it is a company then (in some countries certainly) you can register your look and feel, a bit like a trademark. While this would not stop people ripping off the CSS it would give some recourse if other major sites (in the country that you had registered in) start using it without changing anything about it.

    This is certainly true of a registered logo or graphic.

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    Does this (Licensing) sound like a subject for a sub-forum under Business and Legal issues ? I mean for creative commons, GNU and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenANFA
    I believe that if it is a company then (in some countries certainly) you can register your look and feel, a bit like a trademark. While this would not stop people ripping off the CSS it would give some recourse if other major sites (in the country that you had registered in) start using it without changing anything about it.
    It was clearly stated that the culprit contacted the copyright holders of the graphics for permission, and didn't use those he didn't get permission for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum
    I was refering more to the moral side of things
    Is it morally wrong to take something freely given?

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    It is in my opionon wrong to take advantage of someone's good nature.

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    So if someone offered to buy you dinner you'd turn them down because it'd be "morally wrong" to you?

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    Yeah if someone bought me dinner I would be sure to return the favour, or at least offer to pay my own way .

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    Quote Originally Posted by anode
    It was clearly stated that the culprit contacted the copyright holders of the graphics for permission, and didn't use those he didn't get permission for.
    Hmmm, true, one day I must learn to actually read the text on the sites I visit

    Actually it doesn't say much for the intelligence of the person nicking the CSS because as far as I have seen if you are changing the graphics, colours and fonts of a style sheet all you are left with is the positioning structure and there must be a gazzillion pages of freely available material out there posted as tutorials and CSS libraries that people are expecting to be copied without having to resort to nicking someone's private design and causing them and yourself lots of hassle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum
    Yeah if someone bought me dinner I would be sure to return the favour, or at least offer to pay my own way .
    An inevitability with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license. Any derivation this guy would/will make would be available under a CC license also, that's the whole point of having a commons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anode
    An inevitability with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license. Any derivation this guy would/will make would be available under a CC license also, that's the whole point of having a commons.
    So feel free to take his modified CSS files and do what you like

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    Hmmm... They changed the license. Now the CSS files are not usable. However, legally it is very difficult to change a license retroactively. Wonder what kind of grandfathering a court would give. I would think that any CSS file created and contributed up until the date of the license change would still legally be under the Creative Commons license and that any new template would be under the new license.

    He may have just opened up a whole new can of worms by doing this.
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