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    Brevity in speech is a virtue in the misinformed.

    I apologize in advance, Nicky; I just couldn't help myself... lol.

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    Ahh, but I have the right to like something for the sake of liking it, I don't need a reason - being female and all

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    Absolutely!

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    The reason they made IE so forgiving is because the coders over at Microsoft were too lazy to get it right and they know how much they hate coding anything right.

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    Alright, that's enough rhetoric for one lifetime. If you don't like the program, so be it, but for all this buggy code out there it sure is useful to me.

    Fact of the matter is it's just better to use Windows. I've used Linux a bit - is it more stable? Yup, but good luck finding even one-one-hundredth the amount of programs available as you can find for Windows.

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    Originally posted by LuZeR
    The reason they made IE so forgiving is because the coders over at Microsoft were too lazy to get it right and they know how much they hate coding anything right.
    You have got to be kidding me.

    I think that Microsoft developed IE to render sloppy coding because:

    - They wanted IE to display the most pages possible (even the pages with poor coding)
    - They wanted Netscape to look bad (just imagine...if there was no IE, people would be using Netscape everywhere!)
    - They wanted to make less people use Netscape and more people use IE.

    I really hate Netscape. I can't understand why anyone who had the choice would use it (in Windows and MacOS, at least).

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    Originally posted by etLux
    Many veteran coders (myself sometimes included) entirely lose site of what the purpose of programmatic code is.

    So-called "code" is a means by which one communicates to the machine running it what tasks are to be performed, and how they are to be executed.

    To fault any environment because it interprets and executes code more forgivingly is sheer silliness. To suggest otherwise bespeaks an elitist priesthood-like self-protectionist attitude on the part of coders.

    The object overall is not to empower a haven in which those intensively immersed in the arcana of programming languages indulge in the high art of creating elegant code -- though there is surely great merit and satisfaction in doing so.
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    I'm very proud to say that, when reading that post very slowly, I can actually understand it.

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    Actually, the real reason is so that IE will render the bad code created by Microsoft HTML editors.

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    Well, I don't believe that. But let's pretend it's true. Even then it does not matter - IE does the job of a browser much better than Netscape, because everyone here agrees it displays MORE new features on MORE webpages.

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    Well, if NS is so slow, it's the ideal browser for broadband users like me

    Let's get a few things straight:

    -HTML code was never meant to be used for designing purposes, so when people start using it to make a complicated design with it, you can expect problems.

    -NS running under Linux is much faster than IE under Windows can ever be.

    -If you want your design to look the same in each browser and on each platform, use Flash or PDF.

    -The reason why people are using NS is also one of the reasons why people are using Windows: because they like it.

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    It doesn't matter that HTML was not meant for that, what matters is what the BROWSER is meant for. IE and NS are meant to display webpages. IE does a better job - I have yet to see an argument on this subject, which is not surprising.

    And no, people do not always use NS because they like it. Some do of course, and some are ridiculously anti-MS. Some people like being different just for the sake of being different - we're all like that in some ways.

    As for NS under Linux - I have not used it that way, so I don't know. It doesn't matter to me because I doubt I'll ever use Linux regularly.

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    Originally posted by TWTCommish
    IE and NS are meant to display webpages. IE does a better job
    Personally I hate the way webpages look in IE. I also hate the way it takes IE 7 seconds to tell me I've pushed the stop button and display that dumb little 'Action Canceled' screen. When I push the stop button I want it to stop, I don't want it to continue with a stupid message.

    Originally posted by TWTCommish
    And no, people do not always use NS because they like it. Some do of course, and some are ridiculously anti-MS. Some people like being different just for the sake of being different - we're all like that in some ways.
    I use NS because I like it. I don't use version 6 because it's slow and horrible, it's worse than IE in a lot of ways.

    Originally posted by TWTCommish
    As for NS under Linux - I have not used it that way, so I don't know. It doesn't matter to me because I doubt I'll ever use Linux regularly.
    Personally I don't like NS much on Linux. On Macintosh I prefer IE, but on Windows I prefer NS by far and since I use windows 99% of the time that's what I care about.

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    I really don't understand how you can hate the way pages look in IE. The pages are just like in Netscape, only they load with less errors and more features intact. Do you mean you hate the way IE the program looks?

    I understand some people like NS - that's all well and good, but I have to say that not using it to be different or simply as a protest against MS is a bit, uh, weird. MS won't exactly be "hurt" by it.

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    Actually, discussing which browser is better is just as useless as which HTML editor is better: it all depends on preferences and discussing preferences will almost always lead to flaming threads

    About NS under Linux:

    The first time I run NS under Linux I was just blown away by the speed of it, like clicking a link and the page loads within a second...

    Therefore it would be nice to not only look at the browser, but also at the OS it runs on, since Windows is nothing compared with Linux when you're looking at their internet capabilities.

    If you want a fast and stable browser, use Mozilla under Linux...
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    You know, if you want to start getting a true picture of just how much more capable the IE browser is... start here:

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/c...or/default.asp

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    Originally posted by etLux
    You know, if you want to start getting a true picture of just how much more capable the IE browser is... start here:

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/c...or/default.asp
    Hmm thats Microsoft's opinion on its own Browser

    It wont be too biased or anything!

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    Originally posted by isuru
    Originally posted by etLux
    You know, if you want to start getting a true picture of just how much more capable the IE browser is... start here:

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/c...or/default.asp
    Hmm thats Microsoft's opinion on its own Browser

    It wont be too biased or anything!
    That's not an opioion.

    It's the documentation on the browser.

    Perhaps if some of those in the programming community who constantly tout Netscape actually read the documentation, they would not hold the ridiculous and unfounded opinions that they do.

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    At the end of the day I think both browsers suck.. They both have faults.

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    They bot have faults, but I don't think they can "suck" - what do you have to compare them to? If you think they both suck, then nearly by definition you have to think that something else is much better, like K Meleon or Opera. Is this the case?

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    Originally posted by Kristopher
    At the end of the day I think both browsers suck.. They both have faults.
    LOL! At the end of many days, I absolutely, unequivocally, completely, agree with you... in spades!

    (TWTCommish, ya gotta include the "at the end of the day" part when you read this post.)

    I understand the why's and the wherefore's behind how the browsers have developed the way they have.

    But sometimes, I really wish they'd chuck every last one of them, start over, and do it right.



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    Originally posted by etLux

    But sometimes, I really wish they'd chuck every last one of them, start over, and do it right.

    I can't agree more
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    It is very possible for both browsers to suck!

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    I think they have to suck in comparison: which means you must like something else. I'm also assuming you use at least one of them. If you ask me IE does not suck, and NS has the potential not to.

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    It's good that we are all entitled to our opinion. We all know what opinions are like.

    I use both because I have too! I hate them both for diffrent reasons.


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