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    Apache, Directory Names and Images

    I'm confused - so nothing new there.

    If I upload the local directories Mysite and Another_Site as subdirectories on my hosting account (for testing) they both work just fine. If I copy those directories to the web root on my local instance of Apache, Mysite works fine, but Another_Site returns a 403 Forbidden error. It happens with every directory with underscores in the name (most of them ) but single word directory names are no problem.

    If, instead of copying the directory to the web root, I simply copy the contents over, the site will display fine - but without images. The includes from the "includes" directory are loaded fine, but the images from the adjacent "images" directory are apparently ignored.

    Any explanation of either of the above would be most welcome.
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    Can you post your local httpd.conf and any sites-enabled/* files that may be applicable?

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    If I have an httpd.conf, I can't find it.

    sites-enabled contains only a link to 000-default.conf:

    Code:
    <VirtualHost *:80>
    	# The ServerName directive sets the request scheme, hostname and port that
    	# the server uses to identify itself. This is used when creating
    	# redirection URLs. In the context of virtual hosts, the ServerName
    	# specifies what hostname must appear in the request's Host: header to
    	# match this virtual host. For the default virtual host (this file) this
    	# value is not decisive as it is used as a last resort host regardless.
    	# However, you must set it for any further virtual host explicitly.
    	#ServerName www.example.com
    
    	ServerAdmin webmaster@localhost
    	DocumentRoot /var/www
    
    	# Available loglevels: trace8, ..., trace1, debug, info, notice, warn,
    	# error, crit, alert, emerg.
    	# It is also possible to configure the loglevel for particular
    	# modules, e.g.
    	#LogLevel info ssl:warn
    
    	ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
    	CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined
    
    	# For most configuration files from conf-available/, which are
    	# enabled or disabled at a global level, it is possible to
    	# include a line for only one particular virtual host. For example the
    	# following line enables the CGI configuration for this host only
    	# after it has been globally disabled with "a2disconf".
    	#Include conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf
    </VirtualHost>
    
    # vim: syntax=apache ts=4 sw=4 sts=4 sr noet
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    Ah, sorry, it may be named apache2.conf, try giving us that file.

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    I've got one of them:

    Code:
    # This is the main Apache server configuration file.  It contains the
    # configuration directives that give the server its instructions.
    # See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ for detailed information about
    # the directives and /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian about Debian specific
    # hints.
    #
    #
    # Summary of how the Apache 2 configuration works in Debian:
    # The Apache 2 web server configuration in Debian is quite different to
    # upstream's suggested way to configure the web server. This is because Debian's
    # default Apache2 installation attempts to make adding and removing modules,
    # virtual hosts, and extra configuration directives as flexible as possible, in
    # order to make automating the changes and administering the server as easy as
    # possible.
    
    # It is split into several files forming the configuration hierarchy outlined
    # below, all located in the /etc/apache2/ directory:
    #
    #	/etc/apache2/
    #	|-- apache2.conf
    #	|	`--  ports.conf
    #	|-- mods-enabled
    #	|	|-- *.load
    #	|	`-- *.conf
    #	|-- conf-enabled
    #	|	`-- *.conf
    # 	`-- sites-enabled
    #	 	`-- *.conf
    #
    #
    # * apache2.conf is the main configuration file (this file). It puts the pieces
    #   together by including all remaining configuration files when starting up the
    #   web server.
    #
    # * ports.conf is always included from the main configuration file. It is
    #   supposed to determine listening ports for incoming connections which can be
    #   customized anytime.
    #
    # * Configuration files in the mods-enabled/, conf-enabled/ and sites-enabled/
    #   directories contain particular configuration snippets which manage modules,
    #   global configuration fragments, or virtual host configurations,
    #   respectively.
    #
    #   They are activated by symlinking available configuration files from their
    #   respective *-available/ counterparts. These should be managed by using our
    #   helpers a2enmod/a2dismod, a2ensite/a2dissite and a2enconf/a2disconf. See
    #   their respective man pages for detailed information.
    #
    # * The binary is called apache2. Due to the use of environment variables, in
    #   the default configuration, apache2 needs to be started/stopped with
    #   /etc/init.d/apache2 or apache2ctl. Calling /usr/bin/apache2 directly will not
    #   work with the default configuration.
    
    
    # Global configuration
    #
    
    #
    # ServerRoot: The top of the directory tree under which the server's
    # configuration, error, and log files are kept.
    #
    # NOTE!  If you intend to place this on an NFS (or otherwise network)
    # mounted filesystem then please read the Mutex documentation (available
    # at <URL:http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/core.html#mutex>);
    # you will save yourself a lot of trouble.
    #
    # Do NOT add a slash at the end of the directory path.
    #
    #ServerRoot "/etc/apache2"
    
    #
    # The accept serialization lock file MUST BE STORED ON A LOCAL DISK.
    #
    Mutex file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} default
    
    #
    # PidFile: The file in which the server should record its process
    # identification number when it starts.
    # This needs to be set in /etc/apache2/envvars
    #
    PidFile ${APACHE_PID_FILE}
    
    #
    # Timeout: The number of seconds before receives and sends time out.
    #
    Timeout 300
    
    #
    # KeepAlive: Whether or not to allow persistent connections (more than
    # one request per connection). Set to "Off" to deactivate.
    #
    KeepAlive On
    
    #
    # MaxKeepAliveRequests: The maximum number of requests to allow
    # during a persistent connection. Set to 0 to allow an unlimited amount.
    # We recommend you leave this number high, for maximum performance.
    #
    MaxKeepAliveRequests 100
    
    #
    # KeepAliveTimeout: Number of seconds to wait for the next request from the
    # same client on the same connection.
    #
    KeepAliveTimeout 5
    
    
    # These need to be set in /etc/apache2/envvars
    User ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
    Group ${APACHE_RUN_GROUP}
    
    #
    # HostnameLookups: Log the names of clients or just their IP addresses
    # e.g., www.apache.org (on) or 204.62.129.132 (off).
    # The default is off because it'd be overall better for the net if people
    # had to knowingly turn this feature on, since enabling it means that
    # each client request will result in AT LEAST one lookup request to the
    # nameserver.
    #
    HostnameLookups Off
    
    # ErrorLog: The location of the error log file.
    # If you do not specify an ErrorLog directive within a <VirtualHost>
    # container, error messages relating to that virtual host will be
    # logged here.  If you *do* define an error logfile for a <VirtualHost>
    # container, that host's errors will be logged there and not here.
    #
    ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
    
    #
    # LogLevel: Control the number of messages logged to the error_log.
    # Available values: trace8, ..., trace1, debug, info, notice, warn,
    # error, crit, alert, emerg.
    # It is also possible to configure the log level for particular modules, e.g.
    # "LogLevel info ssl:warn"
    #
    LogLevel warn
    
    # Include module configuration:
    IncludeOptional mods-enabled/*.load
    IncludeOptional mods-enabled/*.conf
    
    # Include list of ports to listen on
    Include ports.conf
    
    
    # Sets the default security model of the Apache2 HTTPD server. It does
    # not allow access to the root filesystem outside of /usr/share and /var/www.
    # The former is used by web applications packaged in Debian,
    # the latter may be used for local directories served by the web server. If
    # your system is serving content from a sub-directory in /srv you must allow
    # access here, or in any related virtual host.
    <Directory />
    	Options FollowSymLinks
    	AllowOverride None
    	Require all denied
    </Directory>
    
    <Directory /usr/share>
    	AllowOverride None
    	Require all granted
    </Directory>
    
    <Directory /var/www/>
    	Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
    	AllowOverride None
    	Require all granted
    </Directory>
    
    #<Directory /srv/>
    #	Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
    #	AllowOverride None
    #	Require all granted
    #</Directory>
    
    
    
    
    # AccessFileName: The name of the file to look for in each directory
    # for additional configuration directives.  See also the AllowOverride
    # directive.
    #
    AccessFileName .htaccess
    
    #
    # The following lines prevent .htaccess and .htpasswd files from being
    # viewed by Web clients.
    #
    <FilesMatch "^\.ht">
    	Require all denied
    </FilesMatch>
    
    
    #
    # The following directives define some format nicknames for use with
    # a CustomLog directive.
    #
    # These deviate from the Common Log Format definitions in that they use %O
    # (the actual bytes sent including headers) instead of %b (the size of the
    # requested file), because the latter makes it impossible to detect partial
    # requests.
    #
    # Note that the use of %{X-Forwarded-For}i instead of %h is not recommended.
    # Use mod_remoteip instead.
    #
    LogFormat "%v:%p %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %O \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" vhost_combined
    LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %O \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined
    LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %O" common
    LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer
    LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent
    
    # Include of directories ignores editors' and dpkg's backup files,
    # see README.Debian for details.
    
    # Include generic snippets of statements
    IncludeOptional conf-enabled/*.conf
    
    # Include the virtual host configurations:
    IncludeOptional sites-enabled/*.conf
    
    # vim: syntax=apache ts=4 sw=4 sts=4 sr noet
    
    <FilesMatch \.php$>
    SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
    </FilesMatch>
    (I was trying to sort things out for myself from Kevin Yank's book, but my install seems to be quite different, and isn't in the directory he refers to. As I don't really know what I'm doing, I thought it might be safer to ask than to guess. )
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    Nothing stands out as unique, have you checked the permissions of the folder Another_Site versus MySite? Maybe the answer lies in there.

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    All the folders have the same permissions, and the problem arises with all those which have an underscore in the name, and none of those which don't. It makes no sense to me.

    I'm about to set up Apache/PHP on my laptop, but I really wanted to find out what was causing this peculiar behaviour on my desktop before I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    the problem arises with all those which have an underscore in the name, and none of those which don't.
    I hope you don't mind but I'd like to triple check this. If you were to rename Another_Site to AnotherSite, does it suddenly work? And then if you renamed it back to Another_Site, does it stop working again?
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    TB,

    I'm glad that cp is helping you through this ... but a few short comments before I run out the door:

    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    I'm confused - so nothing new there.

    If I upload the local directories Mysite and Another_Site as subdirectories on my hosting account (for testing) they both work just fine. If I copy those directories to the web root on my local instance of Apache, Mysite works fine, but Another_Site returns a 403 Forbidden error. It happens with every directory with underscores in the name (most of them ) but single word directory names are no problem.

    That sounds like you don't have a VirtualHost setup for Another_Site (nominally, conf/extras/httpd-vhosts.conf and your hosts{Extensionless} file) so you'd have to generate those changes OR simply use Another_Site as a subdirectory of Mysite. There is no problem with using _'s in a file or directory name.

    If, instead of copying the directory to the web root, I simply copy the contents over, the site will display fine - but without images. The includes from the "includes" directory are loaded fine, but the images from the adjacent "images" directory are apparently ignored.

    Because of the lack of VirtualHost for Another_Site, it should not be able to access Mysite's files (with relative links - PHP can access them via it's server properties but that's NOT what you want to do!). Of course, if you access as a subdirectory of Mysite, simply use ../ for your relative links.

    Any explanation of either of the above would be most welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpradio View Post
    Nothing stands out as unique, have you checked the permissions of the folder Another_Site versus MySite? Maybe the answer lies in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    All the folders have the same permissions.
    Correction - all the folders used to have, and should have had the same permissions, so I didn't actually check. I don't know how the permissions came to be reset; I suspect when copying the files from desktop to laptop and back again. Why it should only affect those with underscores is also a mystery. Anyway, they all have the same permissions now, and things are mostly working.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Mott View Post
    I hope you don't mind but I'd like to triple check this. If you were to rename Another_Site to AnotherSite, does it suddenly work? And then if you renamed it back to Another_Site, does it stop working again?
    I tried this, which was when I spotted the problem with the permissions. After I sorted that out, I tried again. I made two copies of MySite, called My-Site and My_Site. All three have identical permissions. I also made two copies of Another_Site, called Another-Site and AnotherSite, again with the same permissions as the first three.

    With the corrected permissions, MySite works, as does My-Site, but My_Site throws a 404 error. On the other hand, Another_Site now works, as does Another-Site, but AnotherSite throws a 404 error. Weird. At least it looks as if all my sites will work with their original names, provided I double-check the permission.

    Quote Originally Posted by dklynn View Post
    That sounds like you don't have a VirtualHost setup for Another_Site (nominally, conf/extras/httpd-vhosts.conf and your hosts{Extensionless} file) so you'd have to generate those changes OR simply use Another_Site as a subdirectory of Mysite. There is no problem with using _'s in a file or directory name.
    I don't have VirtualHost set up for anything, as far as I'm aware. (Nor do I have conf/extras/httpd-vhosts.conf - not even those directories.) I'd got as far as installing PHP and simply copied a site to the web root to check it would work. It threw a 403 error, so I tried another and eventually discovered the underscore problem. I hadn't attempted to configure anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by dklynn View Post
    Because of the lack of VirtualHost for Another_Site, it should not be able to access Mysite's files (with relative links - PHP can access them via it's server properties but that's NOT what you want to do!). Of course, if you access as a subdirectory of Mysite, simply use ../ for your relative links.
    I'm not sure I follow that. There is no connection between MySite and Another_Site. They're two completely separate sites (or, more accurately, stand for two sets of independent sites, one with single word names and the other with underscores) which I was using independently to test.

    Thanks, all, for the help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    Correction - all the folders used to have, and should have had the same permissions, so I didn't actually check. I don't know how the permissions came to be reset; I suspect when copying the files from desktop to laptop and back again. Why it should only affect those with underscores is also a mystery. Anyway, they all have the same permissions now, and things are mostly working.

    I tried this, which was when I spotted the problem with the permissions. After I sorted that out, I tried again. I made two copies of MySite, called My-Site and My_Site. All three have identical permissions. I also made two copies of Another_Site, called Another-Site and AnotherSite, again with the same permissions as the first three.

    With the corrected permissions, MySite works, as does My-Site, but My_Site throws a 404 error. On the other hand, Another_Site now works, as does Another-Site, but AnotherSite throws a 404 error. Weird. At least it looks as if all my sites will work with their original names, provided I double-check the permission.
    Awesome! Yet, intriguing. Can you provide a screenshot/copy/paste of running ls -la when you have all instances of each so we can see if anything looks out of place?

    One thing I used to do (and sort of still do) is instead of copying my projects into the root web folder (usually /var/www), I create a symbolic link.

    So I'd copy my sites into say /home/username/projects/, thus having MySite and Another_Site inside the projects/ folder, then I'd create a link to those directories and place it in /var/www using
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/projects/MySite /var/www/MySite
    sudo ln -s /home/username/projects/Another_Site /var/www/Another_Site
    I've also been known to just create a symbolic link for "projects" so anything I add to the folder automatically appears through apache.

    This typically permits two things for me to be able to do. One, I don't need root access to alter my sites nor do I need to alter the permissions of /var/www. The second thing it permits me to do is to set any permissions/user ownership without going into root mode too.

    It still lets me run the sites and I have better control over any editing without changing permission levels/ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpradio View Post
    Awesome! Yet, intriguing. Can you provide a screenshot/copy/paste of running ls -la when you have all instances of each so we can see if anything looks out of place?
    My pleasure. Screenshot to prove they're all there:

    var-www.png

    First set (aka "MySite"):

    Code:
    me@mycomputer/var/www$ ls -la JogScotland
    total 140
    drwxr-xr-x 5 root root  4096 Feb 17 15:36 .
    drwxr-xr-x 8 root root  4096 Apr  2 12:03 ..
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    85 Oct 18 17:18 BingSiteAuth.xml
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2111 Feb 17 13:44 contact.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2111 Oct 19 12:20 contact.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3438 Feb 17 14:05 events.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3341 Feb 17 13:55 events.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25571 Feb 17 13:44 gallery.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25571 Oct 19 12:20 gallery.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    53 Oct 18 16:36 google94fed4d5c345a68f.html
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1259 Oct 18 15:08 .htaccess
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Oct 19 12:16 images
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Oct 19 12:51 includes
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3084 Feb 17 13:44 index.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3084 Oct 19 12:30 index.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3665 Feb 17 13:44 islay.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3665 Oct 19 12:48 islay.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2464 Feb 17 15:36 results.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2464 Feb 17 15:28 results.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   189 Oct 18 14:46 robots.txt
    drwxr-xr-x 4 root root  4096 Feb 16  2012 scripts
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1991 Feb 17 13:42 style170214.css
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1959 Oct 29 13:52 style181013.css~
    Code:
    me@mycomputer/var/www$ ls -la Jog-Scotland
    total 140
    drwxr-xr-x 5 root root  4096 Feb 17 15:36 .
    drwxr-xr-x 8 root root  4096 Apr  2 12:03 ..
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    85 Oct 18 17:18 BingSiteAuth.xml
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2111 Feb 17 13:44 contact.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2111 Oct 19 12:20 contact.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3438 Feb 17 14:05 events.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3341 Feb 17 13:55 events.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25571 Feb 17 13:44 gallery.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25571 Oct 19 12:20 gallery.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    53 Oct 18 16:36 google94fed4d5c345a68f.html
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1259 Oct 18 15:08 .htaccess
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Oct 19 12:16 images
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Oct 19 12:51 includes
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3084 Feb 17 13:44 index.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3084 Oct 19 12:30 index.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3665 Feb 17 13:44 islay.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3665 Oct 19 12:48 islay.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2464 Feb 17 15:36 results.php
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2464 Feb 17 15:28 results.php~
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   189 Oct 18 14:46 robots.txt
    drwxr-xr-x 4 root root  4096 Feb 16  2012 scripts
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1991 Feb 17 13:42 style170214.css
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1959 Oct 29 13:52 style181013.css~
    Code:
    me@mycomputer/var/www$ ls -la Jog_Scotland
    ls: cannot access Jog_Scotland: No such file or directory
    But there is - honest - and it has stuff in it:

    Jog_Scotland.png

    Second set (aka Another_Site):

    Code:
    me@mycomputer/var/www$ ls -la Islay_Cycles
    total 220
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root  4096 Mar 18 13:42 .
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root  4096 Apr  2 12:03 ..
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root 61442 Aug 11  2011 1_14_to_1_15.zip
    drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul  3  2010 Andromeda
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root    85 Oct 18 17:28 BingSiteAuth.xml
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jul  8  2011 blackhole
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   897 Mar 18 13:01 comment.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   897 Oct 15 19:46 comment.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2723 Mar 18 13:01 contact.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2723 Oct 15 19:46 contact.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root    53 Jun 19  2011 google94fed4d5c345a68f.html
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2160 Sep 14  2011 guestbook.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3850 Mar 18 13:40 hire.html
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  4592 Mar 12  2012 hire.html~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3850 Mar 18 13:40 hire.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3754 Mar 18 13:02 hire.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root 13072 Oct  8  2011 .htaccess
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root 12355 Jul  8  2011 .htaccess(old)
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jul  7  2011 html
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Mar 18 14:29 images
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Mar 18 12:57 includes
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3079 Mar 18 13:01 index.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3079 Oct 15 19:46 index.php~
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root  4096 Aug 11  2011 Lazarus Update
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3905 Mar 18 13:01 repairs.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3905 Mar 18 12:26 repairs.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   238 Jul  1  2011 robots.txt
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2326 Mar 18 13:01 sales.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2326 Mar 18 12:26 sales.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3993 Mar 18 12:51 style140911.css~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  4002 Mar 18 13:42 style180314.css
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3974 Mar 18 12:52 style180314.css~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   263 Jun 20  2011 y_key_6a447944b644a594.html
    Code:
    me@mycomputer/var/www$ ls -la Islay-Cycles
    total 220
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root  4096 Mar 18 13:42 .
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root  4096 Apr  2 12:03 ..
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root 61442 Aug 11  2011 1_14_to_1_15.zip
    drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul  3  2010 Andromeda
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root    85 Oct 18 17:28 BingSiteAuth.xml
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jul  8  2011 blackhole
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   897 Mar 18 13:01 comment.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   897 Oct 15 19:46 comment.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2723 Mar 18 13:01 contact.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2723 Oct 15 19:46 contact.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root    53 Jun 19  2011 google94fed4d5c345a68f.html
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2160 Sep 14  2011 guestbook.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3850 Mar 18 13:40 hire.html
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  4592 Mar 12  2012 hire.html~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3850 Mar 18 13:40 hire.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3754 Mar 18 13:02 hire.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root 13072 Oct  8  2011 .htaccess
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root 12355 Jul  8  2011 .htaccess(old)
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jul  7  2011 html
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Mar 18 14:29 images
    drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Mar 18 12:57 includes
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3079 Mar 18 13:01 index.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3079 Oct 15 19:46 index.php~
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root  4096 Aug 11  2011 Lazarus Update
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3905 Mar 18 13:01 repairs.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3905 Mar 18 12:26 repairs.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   238 Jul  1  2011 robots.txt
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2326 Mar 18 13:01 sales.php
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2326 Mar 18 12:26 sales.php~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3993 Mar 18 12:51 style140911.css~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  4002 Mar 18 13:42 style180314.css
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3974 Mar 18 12:52 style180314.css~
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root   263 Jun 20  2011 y_key_6a447944b644a594.html
    Code:
    me@mycomputer/var/www$ ls -la IslayCycles
    ls: cannot access IslayCycles: No such file or directory
    IslayCycles.png

    Quote Originally Posted by cpradio View Post
    One thing I used to do (and sort of still do) is instead of copying my projects into the root web folder (usually /var/www), I create a symbolic link...
    Brilliant. Thanks @cpradio , that was really helpful. That's exactly the kind of thing I was wanting to set up, only I got sidetracked by The Case of the Mysterious Underscores.
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    Can you run ls -la /var/www both as yourself and via sudo/root?

    I just want to see what is up with those two directories it can't access.

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    Well this is interesting:

    Code:
    me@mycomputer:/var$ ls -la www
    total 36
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Apr  2 12:03 .
    drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Feb  9 21:12 ..
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  177 Feb 10 16:15 index.html
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Mar 18 13:42 Islay_Cycles
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Mar 18 13:42 Islay-Cycles
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Mar 18 13:42 IslayCycles 
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:36 JogScotland
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:36 Jog_Scotland 
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:36 Jog-Scotland
    Code:
    root@mycomputer:/var# ls -la www
    total 36
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Apr  2 12:03 .
    drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Feb  9 21:12 ..
    -rw-r--r--  1 root root  177 Feb 10 16:15 index.html
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Mar 18 13:42 Islay_Cycles
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Mar 18 13:42 Islay-Cycles
    drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Mar 18 13:42 IslayCycles 
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:36 JogScotland
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:36 Jog_Scotland 
    drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:36 Jog-Scotland
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    Well bugger, that didn't really show me what I was hoping to see... I'm at a lost. I don't know how to explain your access denied errors in your earlier post now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpradio View Post
    Well bugger, that didn't really show me what I was hoping to see... I'm at a lost. I don't know how to explain your access denied errors in your earlier post now.
    That makes two of us, so I feel much better now I'm not alone. I seem to have a couple of "Schrödinger's cat" directories, which are both there and not there at the same time.

    (You're not a fan of "The Big Bang Theory" by any chance, are you?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    (You're not a fan of "The Big Bang Theory" by any chance, are you?)
    Off Topic:

    Yes, Yes I am, but I've been a bit out of touch from it for a season or two. I've got them saved to watch, but I just haven't had the time to do so lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpradio View Post
    One thing I used to do (and sort of still do) is instead of copying my projects into the root web folder (usually /var/www), I create a symbolic link.

    So I'd copy my sites into say /home/username/projects/, thus having MySite and Another_Site inside the projects/ folder, then I'd create a link to those directories and place it in /var/www using
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/projects/MySite /var/www/MySite
    sudo ln -s /home/username/projects/Another_Site /var/www/Another_Site
    I've also been known to just create a symbolic link for "projects" so anything I add to the folder automatically appears through apache.
    So I've checked the permissions on all the directories, and then followed those instructions.
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites /var/www
    I get a 404 error for any folder I try to access within Web_Sites.
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites/My_Site /var/www/My_Site
    I get a 403 error when I try to access My_Site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    So I've checked the permissions on all the directories, and then followed those instructions.
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites /var/www
    I get a 404 error for any folder I try to access within Web_Sites.
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites/My_Site /var/www/My_Site
    I get a 403 error when I try to access My_Site.

    You did change username to be your username right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpradio View Post
    You did change username to be your username right?
    Yep - at the same time I changed projects to Web_Sites. (I know I'm prone to doing daft things, but I'd need to be having a really bad day to do something quite that daft. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    So I've checked the permissions on all the directories, and then followed those instructions.
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites /var/www
    I get a 404 error for any folder I try to access within Web_Sites.
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites/My_Site /var/www/My_Site
    I get a 403 error when I try to access My_Site.

    Weird, I just did it on a blank install of the latest version of Ubuntu and it worked just fine for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpradio View Post
    Weird, I just did it on a blank install of the latest version of Ubuntu and it worked just fine for me...
    And you can access the sites OK? Definitely weird.

    I'll try installing Apache on my laptop, which has a new install of the latest Ubuntu Gnome, and see how I get on there. If that works OK, I might just do a fresh install of the next Ubuntu version (due this month, I believe) on the desktop, rather than an upgrade, and see if that will solve my problems. There definitely seems to be something amiss.

    Or I suppose I could just try installing Apache/PHP again first, to see if that helps.

    Thanks for all your efforts, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    And you can access the sites OK? Definitely weird.

    I'll try installing Apache on my laptop, which has a new install of the latest Ubuntu Gnome, and see how I get on there. If that works OK, I might just do a fresh install of the next Ubuntu version (due this month, I believe) on the desktop, rather than an upgrade, and see if that will solve my problems. There definitely seems to be something amiss.

    Or I suppose I could just try installing Apache/PHP again first, to see if that helps.

    Thanks for all your efforts, anyway.
    Yes, both loaded into the browser without any issues. I simply made very basic files to be served up. I didn't have to alter any permissions either, just had to create the symbolic links. Definitely try removing and re-installing apache. Be sure to use the purge option, as it may be a configuration file that is getting in the way.

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    Just a quick update, in case anybody else is encountering similar issues.

    I purged Apache and PHP, then upgraded my system to Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 and reinstalled Apache and PHP. Same problems. After trying various permutations, including the highly technical approaches of (a) arguing with the computer and (b) ignoring it and hoping it would go away, I have finally solved the problem (nearly).

    I had already changed the permissions on all the project folders, but I also had to change the permissions on the main directory, Web_Sites, for it and all enclosed files/folders.

    The symbolic link works with
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites /var/www/html
    So why does it only "nearly" work? Because two of my sites have images in the footer, and on one site they show, on the other, they don't. Both sites are using an include for the footer, both sites have exactly the same permissions set - and one of the images is common to both sites.

    But what is life without a little mystery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoBear View Post
    Just a quick update, in case anybody else is encountering similar issues.

    I purged Apache and PHP, then upgraded my system to Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 and reinstalled Apache and PHP. Same problems. After trying various permutations, including the highly technical approaches of (a) arguing with the computer and (b) ignoring it and hoping it would go away, I have finally solved the problem (nearly).

    I had already changed the permissions on all the project folders, but I also had to change the permissions on the main directory, Web_Sites, for it and all enclosed files/folders.

    The symbolic link works with
    Code:
    sudo ln -s /home/username/Web_Sites /var/www/html
    So why does it only "nearly" work? Because two of my sites have images in the footer, and on one site they show, on the other, they don't. Both sites are using an include for the footer, both sites have exactly the same permissions set - and one of the images is common to both sites.

    But what is life without a little mystery?
    Can you provide the apache access.logs? Maybe that will lead to an "Ah Ha!" moment regarding the images. You might want to look at the Network section of the Developer Tools of your browser to see if anything stands out when requesting said images.


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