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    Aural CSS in Accessibility

    Here I would like to begin a discussion, concerning the use of Aural CSS in Accessibility.

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    Well, what do you have to say about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anode
    Well, what do you have to say about it?
    I would like to gather information about compatibility issues with voice browsers as JAWS and IBM Homepage Reader.

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    How widespread is aural CSS support in general? Admittedly, I haven't done much with aural CSS; I'm mostly a screen and print type of guy, as other media types don't have too many good resources currently.

    Webnauts, please post links if you have 'em. I'd greatly appreciate it .

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    It was my understanding that there was no support for aural css as of yet, so whereas it may be useful to build an aural stylesheet with your site for future use, at the moment it's useless. Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daz
    It was my understanding that there was no support for aural css as of yet, so whereas it may be useful to build an aural stylesheet with your site for future use, at the moment it's useless. Am I wrong?
    that's the info i've had so far as well...i may have to double check...
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    Redux, don't you think that even if ACSS is not wide supported, it would be worth to implement in present and future projects? Future-oriented?

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    I just digged out the following resources:

    IE, Netscape and Opera do not support Aural CSS:

    http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/cs...tkey/aural.htm

    http://www.codestyle.org/css/media/a...rSummary.shtml

    Though browsers supporting Aural CSS:

    Fonix SpeakThis http://www.speakthis.com/highlights....heet%20Support

    Emacspeak http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Peopl...emacspeak.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webnauts
    Redux, don't you think that even if ACSS is not wide supported, it would be worth to implement in present and future projects? Future-oriented?
    There're only two pieces of software that touch aural style sheets right now: Emacspeak, and Fonix SpeakThis. It wouldn't be future-oriented either as "aural" is deprecated in css 2.1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webnauts
    Redux, don't you think that even if ACSS is not wide supported, it would be worth to implement in present and future projects? Future-oriented?
    The only problem I see with this is trying to convince clients that the extra-cost associated to their site design is factoring in time/rates for features that are only supported by 2 known products.

    Although it's a head-start, it wouldn't go over well with most, if not all, clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikonified
    The only problem I see with this is trying to convince clients that the extra-cost associated to their site design is factoring in time/rates for features that are only supported by 2 known products.

    Although it's a head-start, it wouldn't go over well with most, if not all, clients.
    I would offer this or other extra services for free, if my clients wouldn't pay.
    I am also personaly concerned in promoting accessibility.
    I feel that this is my social obligation...

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    My attitude is that I develop a site to be as accessible as I can make it. If the customer has a problem with my quote then that's fine. I wouldn't cut corners and ruin my reputation by putting out a design I wasn't happy with.

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    I didn't find out much more about ACSS support, than that has been listed in this thread when I did some research into it last year.

    Although to use ACSS could also be detrimental to some user groups since it could potentially override the assistive technologies that have been carefully configured by the user.

    Though ACSS should degrade gracefully, and yes I believe it would be preferable to use it in the context of 'abbreviations' and 'acronyms'.

    But if we don't start thinking about applying ACSS then who will start the ball-rolling, it won't be the browser vendors unless they get some prompting with a big stick, or see there is financial gain, etc.

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    ACSS is dead. CSS 2.1 is killing it and replacing it with "speech" - and they haven't even bothered defining properties for the media type yet. There's nothing to "start the ball-rolling" with.

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    CSS 2.1 is killing it and replacing it with "speech" - and they haven't even bothered defining properties for the media type yet. There's nothing to "start the ball-rolling" with.
    CSS3 Speech is a w3c working draft:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-css3-speech-20030514/

    That means there's about 6 more hurdles for it to get over before it's a recommendation - don't hold your breath, folks...


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