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    Sultan of Ping jofa's Avatar
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    More on attributes:

    Difference between name and id
    Well, I've already described it in my first example above; in a group of radio buttons, each input has the same name, but id is different
    This is what makes it possible to assign <label>s to the inputs

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    I use <th> a lot - love that tag Only found it last year though I must admit

    1/2 the odd things in the thread are a bit dodgy though like <q> and position: fixed

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    <q> is not dodgy...it's just the IE implementation (or should i say lack thereof) that's dodgy...same goes for position: fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattjacob
    ...or in this case a text field.
    That's what I get for replying at 5.10am

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    Quote Originally Posted by redux
    <q> is not dodgy...it's just the IE implementation (or should i say lack thereof) that's dodgy...same goes for position: fixed.
    Yeah, it'd be fine if IE didn't have a stranglehold over the market share of browsers Otherwise I'd use it all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by jofa
    Finally, a little example, how to use <fieldset> and <label>
    Don't know how many saw this thread, but some fun stuff with laying out forms using ont labels:

    http://www.sitepointforums.com/showt...hreadid=116162

    One example we came up with all you need is:

    Code:
    label {
    float: left;
    width: 6em;
    }
    
    input, textarea {
    display: block;
    /* width of the label or bigger */
    margin-left: 6.5em;
    }
    
    <label for="">Text</label><input name="" id="">
    Doen't work in NN6 or Moz1.0, but hay... It works in Moz1.0.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by redux
    <q> is not dodgy...it's just the IE implementation (or should i say lack thereof) that's dodgy...same goes for position: fixed.
    My fixed positioning workaround is usually to let IE have absolute positioning and select fixed position elements with CSS2:
    Code:
    #header {
       position: absolute;
       top: 0;
       left: 0;
       width: 150px;
       height: 100px;
    }
    body>#header {
       position: fixed;
       top: 0;
       left: 0;
       /*width and height will be inherited from previous declaration*/
    }
    This works well for things like sidebars and top headings/logos .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jofa
    More on attributes:

    Difference between name and id
    Well, I've already described it in my first example above; in a group of radio buttons, each input has the same name, but id is different
    This is what makes it possible to assign <label>s to the inputs
    ID's allow you to assign individual CSS to elements as well.

    NAME's also allow you to address elements by their name in DOM compliant javascript instead of relying on array offsets.
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    Assuming 90% of all developers are unaware of these elements and attributes does that infer only 10% have attempted reading the HTML 4.01 Technical Recommendations in any depth: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/elements.html well, I am in the 10% range.

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    I'd like to add a few tags to the "forgotten" list.

    <dl> (with, of course, <dt> and <dd> )
    <code>
    <cite>
    <sup>
    <sub>

    Maybe more, but that's all I can remember at the moment.

    Oh, and jofa: You're Welcome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ P@CkMaN
    ...and they used <th> and I did a search and found out what it was.
    I recently learned a bit more about when to use <th> and when not to--especially when trying to build accessible tables. The basic rule of thumb, as I understand it, it to use <th> when signifiying a row or column header cell in a data table. For "layout" tables, refrain from using <th> and stick to <td>. And don't forget to use scope="col" or scope="row" in your <th>s!

    (Here's a great tutorial on building accessible tables)

    My 2 cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by beetle
    <dl> (with, of course, <dt> and <dd> )
    Some of my favorite list tags. They give such great flexibility in the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agentolivia
    For "layout" tables, refrain from using <th> and stick to <td>.
    Actually, in today's web one should refrain from using tables for layout at all. There are much better ways to do it.
    Wayne Luke
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    Quote Originally Posted by jofa
    Useful HTML elements!
    Blink Tag is a Netscape Tag! Did you try it in IE? [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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    I love that signature, Wayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by beetle
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    I love that signature, Wayne
    Naa, the lighter colours allways get dirty first...

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    Doug's Sig
    That's because rainbows have no end. Were it not for the horizon blocking your view, you'd see that rainbows are circles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Luke
    Actually, in today's web one should refrain from using tables for layout at all. There are much better ways to do it.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beetle
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    Doug's Sig
    That's because rainbows have no end. Were it not for the horizon blocking your view, you'd see that rainbows are circles!
    I remember seeing a full circle rainbow on the news once, that was pretty cool.
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    I'd say a third of these are forgotten: http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_reference.asp

    Very Good reference site, I used it all the time when i was learning html.
    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by xhtmlcoder
    Assuming 90% of all developers are unaware of these elements and attributes does that infer only 10% have attempted reading the HTML 4.01 Technical Recommendations in any depth
    Unfortunately; yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by jofa
    Unfortunately; yes
    Actually, I'd be surprised if it was as high as 10%
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    Quote Originally Posted by beetle
    Actually, I'd be surprised if it was as high as 10%

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    One I only recently found it is the <blockquote> tag. Yeah, I know .. shoot me but how is one supposed to find out about it if you never search for it?! Divs were working fine

    <th> is awesome.
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    Also, an often-forgotten element: <pre>!
    Use it for blocks of preformatted text, i.e. a block of code.


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