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    Public Smoking Ban

    A new UK law could see smoking in public banned. Personally I think it's a great idea and I'm fully in support of it. It's a disgusting habit.

    More info can be found here.

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    As of this past Tuesday, smoking is not allowed in restaurants and many bars all over Florida. While I agree with the idea somewhat, it still worries me that a state government can have that much control over what, when, and where people can conduct their activities, which I don't like. Of course, that's just my tinfoil hat talking.

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    The reasoning behind the UK ban is supposedly due to health risks associated with passive smoking, which of course is a health risk.

    Although I do agree with you Vinnie, it may be a bit like Big Brother watching us all - but hey, I don't care, because I don't smoke!

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    Yet another piece of nanny-state legislation that has me happy I'm leaving the place to sort itself out


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    I really should read article before commenting....

    The whole thing is a load of, erm, smoke. Typical media sensationalism making something out of nothing...obviously short of stories this week...

    The Department of Health has indicated that ministers have no plans to introduce such a ban.
    ...the bans pushed for aren't in "public" anyway, just enclosed spaces. Most restuarants and places of work are largely non-smoking now anyway. I know of only one non-smoking pub (in Winchester). They aren't talking about stopping you walking down the street having a fag....
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    I think they should ban cars from the road, their dangerous too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhtmlgod
    I think they should ban cars from the road, their dangerous too...
    Then you probably wouldn't mind if I spit my chew in your face? Thats how I feel about smoke in my face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techmonkey
    Then you probably wouldn't mind if I spit my chew in your face? Thats how I feel about smoke in my face.
    Rude people have all kinds of annoying habits; the fact that someone is smoking in your face doesn't mean that smoking should be banned, it just means that they're rude. I have friends who talk very loudly; I tell them to keep their voices down (especially late at night or in quiet areas) and they do. If they don't, I'm not going to try to pass a law forbidding loud talking.

    If someone asks me not to smoke near them, I comply respectfully by moving away from them or putting my cigarette out. While smoking bans may be a plus for you since you don't smoke, I think it's a complete waste of legislative resources when there are bigger problems in the world, and I don't particularly like the government telling me where I can and cannot practice my habits (a habit that is not obscene or offensive by the way, and one in which I respect others' beliefs/opinions/attitudes) because of a few rude people.

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    Personally, I'm all for it, even if it is a bit scary how much control the state has. I hate smoking, it makes me very sick at my stomach to be around it for any length of time, not to mention the fact that I can hardly breathe when I'm around a smoker. I wish they'd do the same thing here in TN. I'd almost rather smell pot smoke than cigarette smoke...

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    In a situation like this, the phrase "I may not agree with what a man has to say, but I will defend to the death his right to say it" comes to mind. While I personally may not like someone's habits and may even feel some concern over it, I am ultimately not the one who should dictate that decision to him or her, and it's up to that person to do what they want. I feel the government should keep the same approach. I smoke, which may or may not sway my opinion on the matter (I'd like to think it doesn't), and I'd like to think that I would take the same approach for any infringement of human rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidjmedlock
    Personally, I'm all for it, even if it is a bit scary how much control the state has. I hate smoking, it makes me very sick at my stomach to be around it for any length of time, not to mention the fact that I can hardly breathe when I'm around a smoker. I wish they'd do the same thing here in TN. I'd almost rather smell pot smoke than cigarette smoke...
    And yes, I too would rather smell mary jane over cigarettes. At least that smell goes away in a much shorter amount of time than cigarette smoke does.

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    Well think about it this way: If it wasn't for all us smoker's killing ourself's the taxes - as if they're not high enough - in the UK would go through the roof. But I'm not ignorant of other's so I suppose there is a point in the debate but let's not go too far with a ban if any I think ? IMO it's all Political Correctness going way too far... What next huh ?

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    I'd almost rather smell pot smoke than cigarette smoke...
    Yeah, me too...
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    Its not a nice habit - but I am a very 'live and let live' type of guy...

    ...if these guys want to kill themselves them let them do it in peace for gods sake
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    I'm all for it.

    This isn't legislating what someone can do in the privacy of their own home. This is legislating what someone can do in public.

    Smoking affects other people (and it costs the government money in eventual medical expenses... but thats besides the point). You can use snuff or chew if you really need your nicotine, and those don't affect others. Smoking does affect others, and I'd be all for a ban in public places here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen
    This isn't legislating what someone can do in the privacy of their own home. This is legislating what someone can do in public.
    Good point. It's perfectly legal to run around naked in your own house
    but not on a public street. Most people don't mind this law. (In fact, many of us are grateful for it.) So, what's the difference? In fact, seeing someone running down the street naked is physically a lot less harmful than getting lungs full of smoke when you're trying to eat. (Mentally, it depends on who's doing the running...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjmedlock
    (Mentally, it depends on who's doing the running...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen
    I'm all for it.

    This isn't legislating what someone can do in the privacy of their own home. This is legislating what someone can do in public.

    Smoking affects other people (and it costs the government money in eventual medical expenses... but thats besides the point). You can use snuff or chew if you really need your nicotine, and those don't affect others. Smoking does affect others, and I'd be all for a ban in public places here.
    I always held you up as a libertarian of sorts. That is obviously not true. Oh well. I don't support a ban. I believe it's unconstitutional to ban smoking in bars and restaurants as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen
    Smoking affects other people (and it costs the government money in eventual medical expenses... but thats besides the point).
    Money that is made back by having such massively high tax rates on tobacco products.

    Personally, I don't see why I should have to cycle to work amongst all the carcinogenic pollutants pumped out by cars, lorries, and buses. Sure, run your car in the confines of your own garage, but not on my public roads.

    Now, yes, that's an extreme view. But I don't see why it's not exactly the same as me being told I can't have a cigarette in public.

    I have no problem at all with someone wanting to open a non-smoking bar, or to have to go into a designated smoking area in an airport. But a blanket ban is absurd IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer
    or to have to go into a designated smoking area in an airport. But a blanket ban is absurd IMHO.
    They don't even allow that-if you are a smoker and have to be at the airport. You are not allowed to smoke ANYWHERE in the airport. You have to go out side...ok understand that. BUT, you also will have to go out and come back through security. Now I am not sure how many of you have flown out of the SeaTac airport....but, you can't just cruise through security. Recently they had wait times of up to three hours! I certianly would not want to be stuck on a plane or in a terminal for hours with someone who is severly suffering from withdrawls because they can't have a smoke. (remember, it is an addiction) They could at least stick them in a room that is closed off from everything else so that they could smoke and not be so dawgonne grumpy!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by advantagecom
    They don't even allow that-if you are a smoker and have to be at the airport. You are not allowed to smoke ANYWHERE in the airport.
    All (well all the ones I have been to) the airports in Britain have either smoking areas or smoking rooms where people may smoke. At Manchester Airport there is normally an annoucement every three or four seconds saying that smoking is only permitted in cleary designated areas!

    There are two of those at college, smoking rooms, and the atmosphere in there is enough to make anyone want to quit - your lucky if you can see 3 feet in front of you through the smog
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    This is a very big issue right now in the state of Texas. The local gov't is trying to pass laws where people can't even smoke outside of public places, period.

    Although I don't smoke anymore, I think that's a bit extreme. I wonder how many law enforcement officers guilty of smoking themselves will enforce these laws if they do pass.

    I'm more concerned about alcohol consumption in public places than smoking in public places. There are far more people killed by drunk drivers than there are those killed by second hand smoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by URAlly
    I'm more concerned about alcohol consumption in public places than smoking in public places. There are far more people killed by drunk drivers than there are those killed by second hand smoke.

    No kidding and besides the fact that someone drinking can get in a car and kill someone, have you ever experienced a drunk in your face breathing on you? UGH Now that is enough to turn your stomach!!!!
    Or the stench of a drunk, after being on a drinking binge? EWWWW

    While I don't like being in a restaurant when someone is smoking or having to breathe their smoke when they are near, I used to live in California who for many years now has banned smoking in all public places (restaurants, bars, malls etc.) and while I do not want to sit next to someone who smokes I also do not think they should have to be forced to go out to the back alley by the dumpsters to smoke.

    I am just sick of hearing people feel that because they don't *insert your own nasty habit* that others should be denied the right to it.

    No matter what the habit someone somewhere is not going to like it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by advantagecom
    I am just sick of hearing people feel that because they don't *insert your own nasty habit* that others should be denied the right to it.

    No matter what the habit someone somewhere is not going to like it!
    Guaranteed!
    You sum up my opinion completely in those two paragraphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by URAlly
    This is a very big issue right now in the state of Texas. The local gov't is trying to pass laws where people can't even smoke outside of public places, period.
    Outside public places is still public. The sidewalk is a public place, streets are public places, parks are public places.

    There are far more people killed by drunk drivers than there are those killed by second hand smoke.
    Which is why drinking and driving is illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen
    Outside public places is still public. The sidewalk is a public place, streets are public places, parks are public places.
    aspen, I agree with everything you said with the exception of banning in public places as quoted above. Do people smoking in a park or on a public sidewalk really bother you that much? Just curious, do you also suffer from allergies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspen
    (and it costs the government money in eventual medical expenses... but thats besides the point).
    Don't worry too much about the government. They are doing just great, trust me.
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