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Jul 1, 2003, 12:17 #26
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Half - arsed ?
But not fit for the market place ? Come on now, that is a bit crude to make that remark no ? Of course it's fit for the marketplace, otherwise you'd never have those number of hosts supporting it, with or without PHP coming into the equation... Sure PHP has helped it along, but it'd proberly get along just as well without PHP anyway... eventually
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Jul 1, 2003, 13:06 #27
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Anyway, take this oppurtunity and use PostgreSQL instead. You'll love Stored Procedures and SubSelects!
There are quite a few PHP/MySQL books (with good reviews) on the market,
only 1 PHP/PostgreSQL book (mixed reviews) as I am aware of, and a handful or two PostgreSQL books in total, (at amazon.co.uk).Good web hosting info All you need to know about web hosting
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Jul 1, 2003, 13:14 #28
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I can recommend SAMS PHP and PostgeSQL Advanced Web Programming
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Jul 1, 2003, 20:18 #30
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If I am going to end up paying almost as much as for MySQL as I would have paid for MS SQL Server. Then, why not go for ASP.NET/SQL Server?
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Originally Posted by Umair.ms
However, I doubt you would be paying that much. 440€? MSSQL costs 10 times that.Mattias Johansson
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Jul 2, 2003, 05:20 #32
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I thought my context was much clearer. I actually meant web hosting costs. Why would I ever want SQL Server on my desktop (MSDE works fine for development)? But on the server-side, if I have to pay only a slightly more than MySQL, I would definitely go for ASP.NET/SQL Server.
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Jul 2, 2003, 05:48 #33
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Personally I think this thread started out as FUD and is going downhill from there.
If I am going to end up paying almost as much as for MySQL as I would have paid for MS SQL Server. Then, why not go for ASP.NET/SQL Server?
What's more if you read around you'll see that MySQL are planning to allow projects under an Open Source license (e.g. PHP) to waive the GPL issue. In other words this whole subject will be a dead parrot as far as PHP is concerned within 30 days (my guess). The only issue is the "PR" was badly handled by the PHP crew - they assumed users could grasp the technical issues and react cooly. Not all can...
Many of the PHP crew know members of the MySQL crew personally.
Jeremy Zawodny for example works at Yahoo along with Rasmus Lehrdorf and now Andrei Zmievski and Jeremy is in many ways MySQL's alpha user, having given many a presentation on MySQL.
From the 7th of July to the 11th all these people will be together, face to face, at O'Reilly's OSCon 2003, after which we can all forget this ever happened.
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Jul 2, 2003, 05:58 #34
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Thanks for clearing that up, Harry.
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Well ... I still have a confusion. If a web host provides MySQL to its users, does it need to PURCHASE a license. And, even if it doesn't happen now. Would it be the case from MySQL 4.x onwards? And if it happens, don't you think that MySQL hosting costs will rise?
And with higher MySQL hosting costs, I would go for my personal preference ASP.NET.I am not trying to imply that ASP.NET is better than PHP or Microsoft SQL Server is better than MySQL (although it is the case
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Jul 2, 2003, 10:42 #36
Originally Posted by Umair.ms
Originally Posted by http://www.mysql.com/downloads/index.html
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Jul 3, 2003, 00:25 #37
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Umair.ms , why pay anything to anyone ? , as has been mentioned many a time PostgreSQL is a fully featured RDBMS if not x-platform , firebird is basically an open-source fully featured RDBMS interbase and nicely x-platform , they are both free and both easily accessible from PHP and one assumes .NET
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Originally Posted by seanf
This is irregardless of the fact that we do not redistribute MySQL, install MySQL, perform MySQL optimizations, alter the MySQL server or anything else except access MySQL databases though the PHP client.
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Jul 3, 2003, 02:38 #39
cmiiw, the probable future of mysql, look at OpenOffice.org and Mozilla, i think that's how comercial mysql would go
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I agree with Mattias - Take this opportunity to use PostgreSQL, in some situations yes it may be slightly slower for data reads - but if you are getting that many data reads where it becomes apparent then you should be aching those reads anyway. Also there are situations where PostgreSQL beats mySQL hands down on data reads, like I have a system which allows unlimited category depth and each item is assigned a category id - now to use mySQL to get the full category trail I have to do n-1 queries (Where n is the depth of the category the item is in) from my PHP to work out the full category trail - With PostgreSQL I do one call to a stored procedure that works it all our for me and far faster than PHP + mySQL doing the donkey work for me.
mySQL is fine for simple sites, but it's still not a proper RDBMS in my books, for heavens sake it only actually started supporting relations recently (v4) so all the claims of being an RDBMS were not true until v4.Karl Austin :: Profile :: KDA Web Services Ltd.
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Jul 3, 2003, 07:14 #41
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I guess, its better to go with PostgreSQL.
I always wondered why an incomplete "RDBMS" like MySQL is so popular. But well, same goes for PHP too.
Most probably because PHP and MySQL are both easy to grasp and apply. Well, fast too
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It's a combination of lack of fundamental knowledge and the 'path of least resistance'.
People don't know the advantages of declarative constraints, etc. and so they don't know they need them.
MySQL is pretty 'hands off' (which is not a bad thing) and relatively easy to install. The fact the libs come pre-bundled has something to do with this as well.Matt - Sybase DBA / PHP fanatic
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But here comes the next problem. What about web hosting support for PostgreSQL? How easy is it to find a web host that has PostgreSQL installed (with PHP-PostgreSQL support, ofcourse).
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Jul 3, 2003, 08:21 #44
Actually, I'd use Oracle if it weren't so friggin huge...
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Not as difficult as you might think to find a host with PostgreSQL
We're currently evaluation Sybase as well for potential deployment for customer use as well.Karl Austin :: Profile :: KDA Web Services Ltd.
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Jul 3, 2003, 08:46 #46
This sure will be a bummer for all of us vbulletin users. I wonder what will end up happening.
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Jul 3, 2003, 08:47 #47
Well I typically write for companies with thier own servers, and I own my own as well, so technology choices are opened up a bit and I'm not limited to Pg, although Pg seems like a really good for smaller installations. I know Oracle and am *trying* to learn Pg, though I am having difficulties obtaining good documentation.
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Karl. I get the point
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