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    TopStyle for Linux - The Holy Grail

    It's been asked before, but has anyone yet found an equivelent?

    I am desperate for something like this so I can be a happy developer


    ....(I've even emailed Nick Bradury again, asking very nicely...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalH
    ....(I've even emailed Nick Bradbury again, asking very nicely...)
    Maybe spelling his name wrong got him mad .

    Back on topic though, I haven't yet found an equivalent, which is sad, because right now I'm on Linux exclusively at home (my WinXP CD is too scratched up to reinstall with ). Until I get replacement media, I'm stuck with Quanta, which is OK as an HTML editor, but doesn't do nearly what TopStyle does with regard to CSS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia
    Maybe spelling his name wrong got him mad .


    It's so frustrating! There is a huge market out there at the moment for a whole range of Linux software in the dev area. I'd happily pay for a GOOD TopStyle equivelent, and a PhotoShop equivelent (I still don't think the Gimp is quite there, although it is good)
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    ☆★☆★ silver trophy vgarcia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalH


    It's so frustrating! There is a huge market out there at the moment for a whole range of Linux software in the dev area. I'd happily pay for a GOOD TopStyle equivelent, and a PhotoShop equivelent (I still don't think the Gimp is quite there, although it is good)
    I hear ya man, and it's my biggest gripe with Linux. If the OS had good substitutes for (or native ports of) Dreamweaver, Photoshop, etc. there would be a lot more people on it. However, Macromedia and Adobe don't seem to think there's any money in it .

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    And the fact that the graphics support in Linux is limited to OpenGL and other open standards... Which leaves products that use DirectX out of the picture (mostly game companies).

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    In Adobe's defence, they are actually a rather small company, and having a second team of developers working on the "other version" of PS would be quite the budget killer.

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    Adobe a small company? From their website:

    Adobe is one of the world's largest PC software companies, with annual revenues exceeding US$1.2 billion. The company employs approximately 3,400 people worldwide
    I mean, that's a drop in the bucket compared to Microsoft's $28 billion last year but it hardly qualifies Adobe as a lightweight. It's more than twice the size of Macromedia, for example. Though still a fair way behind Oracle and Sun
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    Fully 1000 of those, and nearly 600M$ of that is for the EPaper division though, very little to do with software beyond Acrobat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmann
    And the fact that the graphics support in Linux is limited to OpenGL and other open standards... Which leaves products that use DirectX out of the picture (mostly game companies).
    I thought that trend was reversing anyway, and more game companies were using OpenGL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia
    I thought that trend was reversing anyway, and more game companies were using OpenGL?
    It is to a point. Some companies are sticking with DirectX because that is the way the graphics card designers are leaning. I think with more time DirectX will slowly be booted out of the picture completely. OpenGL is definitely a better graphics library (arguably) and just needs more tuning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmann
    And the fact that the graphics support in Linux is limited to OpenGL and other open standards... Which leaves products that use DirectX out of the picture (mostly game companies).
    Off Topic:


    I run all my DirectX Windows Based games under Linux. Have no problem with any of them under the Winex version from Transmeta Gaming...


    Unfortunately, Topstyle doesn't run under Wine either not sure why as I haven't had any problems with other applications like Adobe Photoshop Elements or Beyond Compare.

    If you get the CrossOver Office version of Wine, they support running Photoshop 7 under it so it is usable on Linux and you aren't restricted to GIMP.
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    chown linux:users\ /world Hartmann's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Luke
    Off Topic:


    I run all my DirectX Windows Based games under Linux. Have no problem with any of them under the Winex version from Transmeta Gaming...


    Unfortunately, Topstyle doesn't run under Wine either not sure why as I haven't had any problems with other applications like Adobe Photoshop Elements or Beyond Compare.

    If you get the CrossOver Office version of Wine, they support running Photoshop 7 under it so it is usable on Linux and you aren't restricted to GIMP.
    But what kind of games, what kind of framerates, and at what resolution??

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    Diablo II, Starcraft - Broodwar, Warcraft III, Unreal II, Sims, Sims Online, Earth and Beyond, Red Alert 2 - Yuri's Revenge, SimCity 3000 (though this available native as well).

    All at 100 plus frames per second and 800 X 600 resolution minimum. I could probably get better but I only have a GEForce 4 MX chip for video purposes.

    Going to try Command & Conquer - Renegades once I borrow the disc from my parents. Also going to see if Morrowmind will work on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmann
    OpenGL is definitely a better graphics library (arguably) and just needs more tuning.
    I agree. Actually, DirectX used to have direct mappings to OpenGL libraries, making it easy to port games from one engine to the other. I think Microsoft broke/changed that with DX8 or 9 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Luke
    Diablo II, Starcraft - Broodwar, Warcraft III, Unreal II, Sims, Sims Online, Earth and Beyond, Red Alert 2 - Yuri's Revenge, SimCity 3000 (though this available native as well).

    All at 100 plus frames per second and 800 X 600 resolution minimum. I could probably get better but I only have a GEForce 4 MX chip for video purposes.

    Going to try Command & Conquer - Renegades once I borrow the disc from my parents. Also going to see if Morrowmind will work on it.

    My PC Specs:
    AMD Athlon 1700 XP+ (~1453 Mhz)
    1 GB DDR-333 RAM
    30 GB ATA-133 Drive with DMA and 32 Bit access (129 MB/Sec)
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    NVIDIA GEForce 4MX IGP
    NVIDIA nforce motherboard with dolby 5.1 sound.

    My OS Specs:
    Redhat Linux 9.0 w/ 2.4.20.8 Kernal compiled for i686/Athlon
    NVIDIA's Linux Drivers for Sound, Networking and Graphics
    WINEX 3.1

    Been thinking of upgrading my CPU to a Barton core chip though.. Maybe the 2600+.
    Just curious Wayne - what other apps are you running on Linux?
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    H, a thought:
    Why don't we just write one ourselves? Mozilla is available, which uses the great Gecko engine to display HTML+CSS. Why not build one as a Firebird extension or standalone app using XUL? It can probably be put together rather quickly for a very basic app. I may be looking into writing this one anyway .

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    Back on topic here... Has anyone tried Bluefish (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/)?

    It looks like it could be a nice all-around Web Development Editor. It handles HTML, PHP, SQL, and CSS.
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    Sorry to dig up this thread again, was trawling and realised I'd missed it...


    Bluefish is a great editor - but not quite TopStyle when it comes to .css

    H, a thought:
    Why don't we just write one ourselves? Mozilla is available, which uses the great Gecko engine to display HTML+CSS. Why not build one as a Firebird extension or standalone app using XUL? It can probably be put together rather quickly for a very basic app. I may be looking into writing this one anyway
    I would LOVE to do it if I had the knowledge/talent. It's the old "wish I knew C" thang. If XUL is viable I'd be willing to put in some effort, definitely. I mean the .css spec is finite....how hard can it be?
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    Actually Bluefish looks awesome. Only one thing that I need that doesn't appear to be there and that's FTP integration. Is this true? Wayne? H?
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    SitePoint Wizard silver trophy TheOriginalH's Avatar
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    Don't have it to hand, but I certainly never found inbuilt ftp. That's what gFTP's for
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    gFTP comes with RH9. But I have gotten myself into a habit of working directly on files with Homesite. It's probably a bad habit but it's a habit nonetheless...
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    SitePoint Wizard silver trophy TheOriginalH's Avatar
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    Well I'm no programmer, but I'm sure ftp integration wouldn't be a biggie for these guys. They'd certainly have the "top dog" if they added it (don't think Quanta has it either). Perhaps we should drop by the project page and suggest it?
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    can't find where to do that... :\ Go ahead and suggest it though and let me know where I can double team them as well...
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    Hmmm - nuttin there is there...

    I've just subscribed to the mailing list and sent the request:

    bluefish-dev-request@lists.ems.ru
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    No there isn't built in FTP integration. However there is FTP and SFTP integration built into Konqueror and as such, you can right click on any document in your FTP window and open it in an appropriate application with the "Open with..." command. This effectively gives every almost every application FTP integration.

    Also Kate which is a decent editor with color syntax highlighting and other programming features has FTP integration built in. Making it a good editor for quick and dirty changes.
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