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    CSS Question

    Is there a tool online somewhere that enables me to type into some type of a form what kind of attributes I want on my webpage and click submit so a style sheet would be produced?

    If not, where can I find some good tutorials on CSS?

    I've not done anything with CSS up until now, but I have a webdesign job that requires it.
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    I currently use Macromedia's Dreamweaver to create Style Sheets. If you are looking for GUI and quick, it's the fastest I've ever used.

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    Check out the "learn CSS" link in my sig for a CSS tutorial

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    Thanks for the link. I think I'll be able to work with that just fine, for each element of the website I have to comeup with CSS for.

    I've been needing to get into this, and have a general working knowledge of how CSS works, I've just never sat down and actually done it.

    But now, money is involved and I guess that changes everything.
    The only thing I don't like about CSS is that most older browsers don't support it, which kinda kills my "looks good in all browsers" program. But, if the customer wants CSS, then that's what they get.

    I've already informed them about the situation with older browsers, which are becoming more & more scarce; I guess it's not that big of an issue anymore.

    Thanks for the help, guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz
    Thanks for the link. I think I'll be able to work with that just fine, for each element of the website I have to comeup with CSS for.

    I've been needing to get into this, and have a general working knowledge of how CSS works, I've just never sat down and actually done it.

    But now, money is involved and I guess that changes everything.
    The only thing I don't like about CSS is that most older browsers don't support it, which kinda kills my "looks good in all browsers" program. But, if the customer wants CSS, then that's what they get.

    I've already informed them about the situation with older browsers, which are becoming more & more scarce; I guess it's not that big of an issue anymore.

    Thanks for the help, guys!
    There are no browsers made in the last 4 years which don't support at least most of the CSS spec. The only holdout that anybody considers is Netscape 4, which was first made available in June of 1997. It's six years old; the normal software/upgrade lifecycle is 3-5 years. Anybody using NS4 now is either forced to use it (workplace policies, etc.) or is used to ugly pages by now .

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    tutorials on css?

    have a look at www.w3schools.com

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    Yeah, I figured most folks would have upgraded by now. I actually test most all of my webdesigns in NS4 since it's a picky browser.

    I've always heard that if a page looks good in NS4, it should look good in most any browser.

    I think you're right though. It's time to quit worrying about NS4 users. I've got a java script that detects NS4, and earlier versions of Netscape. I guess I could use this script and redirect them to a page that says "UPGRADE, ALREADY!!!"

    I guess that wouldn't be too funny for those few people on company PCs that have to use this old, dying relic. I thinking they'll get over it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz
    I could use this script and redirect them to a page that says "UPGRADE, ALREADY!!!"
    not a novel idea...see http://www.webstandards.org/act/campaign/buc/

    make sure your script doesn't sniff for browsers, but actually sniffs for browser capability...the most commonly used one (the one wasp use themselves) goes along the lines of

    Code:
    if (!document.getElementById) {
        // do some stuff
    }
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    Don't forget that you can effectively switch styles off for NS 4, which, providing you have used a semantically sensible html structure, leaves the page completely usable (if a little boring).

    You can also leave a nice little note:

    Code:
    /* In your @import or @media stylesheet */
    .netscrape {
    display: none
    }
    
    <!-- In your document (I'd suggest right at the top :devil: -->
    <div class="netscrape">
    <p>Your browser is very old. We have taken the time to
    ensure all content is still accessible to you, but please 
    consider upgrading to a more recent and standards compliant 
    browser to see this and many other pages on the web
     as they are intended.</p>
    </div>
    ... probem solved
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    Quote Originally Posted by redux

    FYI, Redux...
    The WaSP promotion and redirection pages have now folded on the assumption that they've helped bring law to this here town and 'their work here is done'.

    It's a wee pain as I can see no harm in leaving the pages up in order to assist designers and developers in mopping up the stragglers.
    I'll especially miss the prefabricated 'what's all this standards mularky?' page aimed at the layman/end user.
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    bill, i know...but the link still contains the "historical" info that the idea is not new, which is what i wanted to point out. but yeh, i do miss the original BUC pages
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    Sorry, for appearing overly keen. redux.
    I'm stumped as to why they removed the pages.
    Seems even more senseless as the BUC page was most likely their biggest attraction and was presumably responsible for bringing in most of the eyeballs to their site.
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