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  • ... my new PRIMARY browser

    54 70.13%
  • ... useful, but my current browser is just fine, thank you.

    20 25.97%
  • ... pointless. Why bother?

    3 3.90%
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    anyone hear they have to rename due to trademark violations. I heard they are renaming it to Mozilla Browser, how lame is that!?
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    I think it needs to have a generic name in order to appeal to the general browsing public. Use of a 'geeky' name may make people feel that it is a browser for niche audience.

    I would have thought just "Navigator" would have been better than Mozilla Browser. Or some other term like Explorer or Navigator.

    As for Firebird lacking some of the nifty Mozilla things ... try visiting the Mozilla Firebird Extensions page at
    http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions.html
    for more

    I've got
    Web Developer
    User Agent switcher
    Live http headers (great)
    Ad block
    Googlebar
    close other tabs
    Checky
    Preferential

    all installed. What I miss is turning animated gifs off.

    Remember it's only a beta.

    Cheers
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    That's great but the same menu order should be carried through all minor releases. It'd be difficult getting a non-coder to edit a zool file like that.

    I'll give it a go though, I think I know what I'm doing...

    Cheers
    James

    Quote Originally Posted by W. Luke
    That is the cool thing about Mozilla Firebird. You should be able to go into Browser.jar and set the order of that menu to be what you want within your profile. All you have to do is edit a little XUL.

    Once that is done, subsequent upgrades should take your changes into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webQS
    What I miss is turning animated gifs off.
    Type about:config in the address bar, and scroll down to image.animation_mode. Changing its value to "none" (the default value is "normal") will disable GIF animation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dethfire
    anyone hear they have to rename due to trademark violations. I heard they are renaming it to Mozilla Browser, how lame is that!?
    The name of the Mozilla browser is Mozilla Browser. It always has been.

    The codename for the original Mozilla browser (as used in the Mozilla Application Suite up to 1.4) is SeaMonkey. The codename for the newest Mozilla browser (which will be used in the Mozilla Suite from version 1.5) used to be Phoenix, and is now Firebird. It was changed from Phoenix to Firebird after Mozilla discovered that the company that made Phoenix BIOS were going to release a web browser.

    There was never a trademark violation, and Firebird/Phoenix/SeaMonkey was never going to be the name of the finished product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmj
    The name of the Mozilla browser is Mozilla Browser. It always has been.

    The codename for the original Mozilla browser (as used in the Mozilla Application Suite up to 1.4) is SeaMonkey. The codename for the newest Mozilla browser (which will be used in the Mozilla Suite from version 1.5) used to be Phoenix, and is now Firebird. It was changed from Phoenix to Firebird after Mozilla discovered that the company that made Phoenix BIOS were going to release a web browser.

    There was never a trademark violation, and Firebird/Phoenix/SeaMonkey was never going to be the name of the finished product.
    Actually, after they changed the name to Firebird, they found out there is a database project called Firebird and almost went to court over that name as well. There are articles on it over at Mozillazine.com.
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    One more onboard here. Julio installed it two days ago and has just clicked the "Set default browser' button.

    What's involved with writing the extensions? XUL? We're using the 'Web developer 0.21' extension which (among other things) gives you a toolbar button for loading the source in a background tab. It would be cool to have a 'View CSS' button that popped the CSS docs into tabs too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexW
    What's involved with writing the extensions? XUL? We're using the 'Web developer 0.21' extension which (among other things) gives you a toolbar button for loading the source in a background tab. It would be cool to have a 'View CSS' button that popped the CSS docs into tabs too.
    http://www.xulplanet.com/

    They have tutorials, examples and other information. You could probably put it right in your existing toolbar. (same one I use under Linux).
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    Cool Thanks

    I'll have to have a go at that on the weekend
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    i guess i am still one of the few ie users still, although i have mozilla and opera installed on my machine, i just use them for testing purposes.

    too many sites still rely on the ms technology for me to make the switch yet
    i love php

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_like_php
    i guess i am still one of the few ie users still, although i have mozilla and opera installed on my machine, i just use them for testing purposes.

    too many sites still rely on the ms technology for me to make the switch yet
    I haven't used IE as my main browser for at least 18months (maybe longer) - hasn't been an issue for me. The worst that happened was when hotmail (which I joined before it was M$) blocked non-ie browsers, but that was temporary....

    Name a site you couldn't use, I dare ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalH
    Name a site you couldn't use, I dare ya!
    My internet banking site is IE-only. When logged in using a different browser, the navigation "menus" don't appear and there is no alternative navigation.

    I've written to them about it (I didn't receive a reply, of course).
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    There are also some database sites I use for my PI job that work much better in IE than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmj
    My internet banking site is IE-only. When logged in using a different browser, the navigation "menus" don't appear and there is no alternative navigation.

    I've written to them about it (I didn't receive a reply, of course).
    My internet banking site (Virgin) didn't support anything other than IE. I emailed and said I would be closing my account and moving my mortgage elsewhere. I'm sure they must have had many other such emails, as within a month it supported all standards based browsers...
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    Your mortgage! All I have is a small VISA/savings account.
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    I think I might try to do a Firebird addon. Anybody have any offers on what they'd like to see that is on the simple side...
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    A simple addon that allows 'view source' in custom editor is wanted!
    The one I found slowed the browser down, very annoying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmj
    Your mortgage! All I have is a small VISA/savings account.

    Hehe - me too when I sell my house in the very near future
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    I've been using Thunderbird for a few days now, and aside from a few minor bugs, I like it.

    It looks like it will replace Eudora as my mail program of choice.
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    I've been using Thunderbird too, Steelsun. It already replaced Sylpheed as my email program of choice.
    It's impressive, especially considering it's not even at version 0.1 yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketch
    I think I might try to do a Firebird addon. Anybody have any offers on what they'd like to see that is on the simple side...
    How about a "links" sidebar (show all links on the page off to the side), similar to what Opera offers? Come to think of it, I may write this one myself if you don't do it Sketch

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    sounds doable. I'll take a stab
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    Another Firebird user/supporter here. Looks like it isn't an alternative around here, but the overwhelming choice. And I'm not surprised -- it is magnificent with the exception of the form crashing problem discussed earlier and the fact that there is no Google PR meter yet. When both of those are non-existent, then we'll have a winner.

    But in the meantime, Firebird is my primary browser on all my computers. It renders pages faster and surprisingly more accurate than Mozilla in my tests and its customization abilities are vastly superior to Mozilla.
    Last edited by mjames; Jun 20, 2003 at 16:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjames
    Another Firebird user/support here. Looks like it isn't an alternative around here, but the overwhelming choice. And I'm not surprised -- it is magnificent with the exception of the form crashing problem discussed earlier and the fact that there is no Google PR meter yet. When both of those are non-existent, then we'll have a winner.
    The autocomplete-form-crash issue was nonexistant for me until this afternoon! However, it's still been more stable than IE on my system. I really like the direction that Firebird is going, and I hope that AOL keeps the Mozilla division alive.


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