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  • ... my new PRIMARY browser

    54 70.13%
  • ... useful, but my current browser is just fine, thank you.

    20 25.97%
  • ... pointless. Why bother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexW
    Suffice to say, while FireBird is my browser of choice, but I have to jump back to IE to check PageRank or use activeX editors and the like (your hardly going ot uninstall IE6, right?).
    Actually, yes... Uninstalled all of Windows and all Microsoft software recently. Can't say that I miss any of it.
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    Yeah, some things you still have to switch back for, but it'll all improve until the major release.

    Also, check out Mycroft at mozdev.org. There, you can install new search sites for that search bar at the top. I've customized mine so I've got Webster, eBay, Downloads.com, etc. all at my fingertips

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Luke
    Actually, yes... Uninstalled all of Windows and all Microsoft software recently. Can't say that I miss any of it.
    Ah, yes, if you can afford to get off Windows completely As nice as the Gimp is, I need my Macromedia and Adobe stuff and I'm not yet quite willing to punt on running an Windows emulator under Linux.
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    About viewing the source in custom editor:
    I asked on MozillaZine and it does exist, here is a link to extension that does this (and lot more): http://white.sakura.ne.jp/~piro/xul/...nsions.html.en
    It works!

    Cheers
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    The only thing I'm having a problem with right now is that my browser likes to crash when dealing with auto-remembered form fields. It doesn't crash always but when it happens it is exclusively when I try to select an auto-completed entry to a form...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexW
    Ah, yes, if you can afford to get off Windows completely As nice as the Gimp is, I need my Macromedia and Adobe stuff and I'm not yet quite willing to punt on running an Windows emulator under Linux.
    Although this is probably fit for a different thread altogether..

    How nice is the Gimp? I installed it briefly on my Linux partition - I didn't really use it much, but I understand it is very good. It looked to be radically different from both Photoshop and PSP, which probably means it would be a steep (re)learning curve for me.

    Is there any decent vector graphics for Linux? I know that CorelDraw will run under Wine (Corel briefly released "CorelDraw for Linux", which was really just CorelDraw/Win plus Wine), but even so it'd be good if there was a native Linux alternative.

    By the way, Wine is not an emulator
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    GIMP is wonderful -- I have it on Windows as well. If you know Photoshop, or probably any graphics program (most are similar in at least some respects), then you won't have a problem. I mean, it's different, and the multiple windows can sometimes be a pain, but it's free and you can really do A LOT in it. Great program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketch
    The only thing I'm having a problem with right now is that my browser likes to crash when dealing with auto-remembered form fields. It doesn't crash always but when it happens it is exclusively when I try to select an auto-completed entry to a form...
    This has been reported on Bugzilla several times. They think it is a conflict between the interface and the autocomplete component.
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    ...but evidently no fix... :\
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    Hey

    One thing that's peeving me about Mozilla at the moment is that the order of context menu options on tabs keeps shifting.
    Open tab used to be at the top, then it was changed to close tab, then close other tabs appeared in that place so every now and again I closed every tab that was open instead of the one I wanted, now in Firebird new tab is back at the top and close tab is at the bottom.

    I was just getting used to closing tabs with a quick right click, now I have to relearn the order again.

    Cheers
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    Why not CTRL click the link, James? Saves you a click and a scroll.
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    Yep I do that, but when I want to open a new tab and type in a URL that may be in History, something I do automatically, without thinking, tends to close all the tabs until I relearn the new order.

    I think it's a part of good UI design that these kind of things should be kept at least in the same order across minor releases.

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    That is the cool thing about Mozilla Firebird. You should be able to go into Browser.jar and set the order of that menu to be what you want within your profile. All you have to do is edit a little XUL.

    Once that is done, subsequent upgrades should take your changes into account.
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    In what programming language is Mozilla (Firebird) created ? Java ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by website
    In what programming language is Mozilla (Firebird) created ? Java ?
    Mozilla is written mainly in C++.

    http://www.mozilla.org/build/win32.html

    The Windows build uses a UNIX emulator for Windows, cygwin, to control the build process, and command line tools from Microsoft's Visual C++ to build its source files. Mozilla uses a variety of tools and scripting languages during its build process, including makefiles, shell scripts, xpidl and perl scripts.

    Edit:
    By the way, this isn't what Wayne was referring to (above). Wayne was referring to the fact that it is possible to customise the Mozilla interface using XUL. Unlike most GUI applications, mozilla's interface can be fully customised without modifying the executable. XUL is a language used to write user interfaces. You can even create new interfaces within Mozilla. See the recent articles at SitePoint about XUL (the net's biggest secret).
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    Iím so used to Mozilla I find the stripped down Firebird somewhat lacking.

    Thereís nothing wrong with the idea of a dedicated browser, but I always found myself wanting when I tried Firebird and the older Phoenix builds.
    Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brownstone
    Iím so used to Mozilla I find the stripped down Firebird somewhat lacking.
    Lacking in what? Firebird is like the previous Mozilla browser only better. It has all the features of the previous Mozilla browser, and more. It is also faster.
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    Lacking in a mail and IRC client for starters. :P
    Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

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    That was the point. Mozilla's roadmap has the different elements in the "suite" being shipped as separate items. Personally I prefer that. I don't use IRC or Mozilla Mail so why should I have to deal wtith the bulkiness of the excess baggage in my browser? Ya know?
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    FireBird was meant to "lack" a mail client and IRC client.

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    You guys should really check out the IRC client because you post so fast...
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    How do you think I got 6500 posts? By programming PHP? pfft....
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    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.sitepointforums.com/member.php?userid=11509
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketch
    . . . so why should I have to deal wtith the bulkiness of the excess baggage in my browser? Ya know?
    Why indeed! So stick with Firebird.
    Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brownstone
    Lacking in a mail and IRC client for starters. :P
    The Mozilla Suite is really what you are referring to. It is made up of several applications: Browser, Mail, IRC, Composer.

    FireBird is simply the Browser Component. In fact Mozilla Suite 1.5 will ship with Firebird as the only browser component. They are getting rid of the monstrosity they ship now.

    The email component is called Thunderbird and can be downloaded separately as well.
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