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    Smile Evidence gathering: Flash vs other plugins?

    Dear all,

    I know that the time before last when NPD did some research on plugins, Macromedia published a breakdown of Flash Player vs other players, such as Windows Media Player and QuickTime. However, MM now have the latest NPD research and don't seem to include that this time. Does anyone know where I can find Flash vs other players and plugins in terms of market penetration? I can't find anything and I don't want to pay for research at this stage.

    Many thanks!

    G

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    here's a break down of the player version stats:

    http://www.macromedia.com/software/f...tml#appendixII

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    hey Chas, when you going to put a link to me on that homepage
    help a brother out

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    Hi Gol, give us (or me ;-) some time to redesign the site first (currently helping out with the In-links/In-portal beta test - due to use it for Best Flash V2 :-) - not certain how the new design will line up but there'll not doubt be a friends sections

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    let me know if you need anything

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    Thanks Golgotha. That's what I was after. Couldn't find it in Google for some reason....?? Just couldn't think of the keywords that would turn it up.

    Steer clear of Chas. He's bad news....

    (We used to work together.)

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    I use to clear up your mistakes more like!

    Don't listen to him Gol, he's just jealous cause i possess more pure raw web design/developer talent than him

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    Yer yer yer.... I'll deal with you later, Flash boy! Now if you don't mind, I've some REAL programming to do....

    Oops. Am I in the Flash forum..... *ahem*

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    This is MM's starting point page.. Forecast is interesting.
    http://www.macromedia.com/software/p...s/flashplayer/

    The way to do it independently would be to set up a site for The Browsing Public and log the player versions returned by Javascript and VBScript to a database. Would have to involve a redirect on the homepage, though.

    From what I can see MM's stats shows how many people pressed a button syaing they could see the movie animation. Not sure how accurate this could be as users of Flash Player 3 can play native FP5 movies, just not run the AS.

    Anyway, I think we are on the verge of making Flash Player 6 apps for the browsing public and not having to worry about downloaditis.
    Web Developers tend to pick up the latest player quickly methinks.

    Cheers
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    Web Developers tend to pick up the latest player quickly methinks.
    I'd agree with that. Web developers and broadband users too. What people don't realise is that even with dial-up, the Flash upgrade only takes about 10 seconds. MM are really smart like that... unlike Apple. It's something stupid like an 8Mb download. I mean realistically, who's going to bother with that on a dial-up?? I don't! If I need to upgrade QT I download it at work and chuck it on to a CD. And if I didn't have access to broadband at all, I simply wouldn't bother.

    Was thinking about my own survey. In fact, I think Chas is doing one anyway (I'm not sure though... are you Chas?) I'm sure he'd charge me an appropriate fee for the data, mind you...

    G

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    I played around with one, but don't read too much into the results.
    http://www.webqs.com/flashStats.php

    1. I have a lot of web developers visit the site
    2. I tend to visit the site which increases the f6 numbers.

    It's good to look at the _variations_ in the no flash up to fp5 numbers, though

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by greg.harvey
    Was thinking about my own survey. In fact, I think Chas is doing one anyway (I'm not sure though... are you Chas?) I'm sure he'd charge me an appropriate fee for the data, mind you...

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    That's pretty cool. Thought about leaving a cookie to avoid multiple machine checks?

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    Good idea, maybe why the 6 versions are high... (revisits).

    I did this as a 10 minute side project so may start from scratch... work out the logic properly..

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by greg.harvey
    That's pretty cool. Thought about leaving a cookie to avoid multiple machine checks?

    G

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg.harvey
    In fact, I think Chas is doing one anyway (I'm not sure though... are you Chas?) I'm sure he'd charge me an appropriate fee for the data, mind you...

    G
    This is a feature ill be looking to add to the redesign of my site using a small Flash 4 movie (invisible 8x8 pixels) to record the stats to MySQL (checking for Flash Player Versions 4, 5 or 6) and save a cookie that updates or deletes each month.

    Charge for the stats..... hmmmm yer thats a good idea!

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    hoohohohahahahahaha


    Quote Originally Posted by Chas
    Charge for the stats..... hmmmm yer thats a good idea!

    Seriously, good idea.. remember $version wasn't introduced until 4.0r11 ...so that may have to be taken into account.
    Will you be able to log the no flash stats that way, though? As they won't access the AS... (neither will 3 or 2 but thems miniscule).

    No flash is a stat I'd like to see...

    Cheers
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    Erm, surely "no Flash" stats would be anyone where a version isn't found....? Should be easy enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webQS
    good idea.. remember $version wasn't introduced until 4.0r11 ...so that may have to be taken into account.
    Will you be able to log the no flash stats that way, though? As they won't access the AS... (neither will 3 or 2 but thems miniscule).
    Thanks. It was a few months back i designed a working version of this. It worked by registering every new hit to the stats Flash movie and subtracting the total Flash player 4, 5 and 6 hits to give the no Flash or player 4 and under stats.

    Quote Originally Posted by greg.harvey
    Erm, surely "no Flash" stats would be anyone where a version isn't found....? Should be easy enough.
    Wasn't that happy with the reliability of using that method.

    Thinking about it another way could be to use Javascript to check for Flash version 4.011 and above - if true write the stats movie param code which'll save the exact Flash 4 or higher version to MySQL - if false write a transparent image (8x8 pixels) that calls a Perl script to update the under 4 and no Flash column in SQL - probably wouldn't want to record the noscript stats as you wouldn't want search engine bot hits.

    Could also use the JS version to write the cookie or do nothing if it already exists (been called once already this month).
    Last edited by Chas; May 19, 2003 at 13:36.

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    As an aside, you might be interested in my fooling around with server side detection - I used version detection in Flash to check if the player needed updating.

    I set a minimum version of 5 and got both v4 and 3 going to the upgrade frame... funny given the use of dot syntax -- I thought these two would just bung the code up.
    v2 did that - failed to load the movie.

    Here's the link
    http://www.webqs.com/experiment.php?id=16
    There's a zip down the bottom to dload.

    Cheers
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    As the site re-design im planning will use a lot of PHP / MySQL to simply control the content as a way to balance the load on the server ill probably stick with client-side detection.

    Very useful info tho, thanks James.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chas
    ... as a way to balance the load on the server ill probably stick with client-side detection.
    Hey Chas

    Sure, client side's the way to go. Probably have to wait for Flash Player 7 to appear before server-side will be really useful in any way.

    The knowledge of how each player version reacts to getVersion() might be more helpful for your stats script.

    Cheers
    James


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