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    CSS2 - When ?

    I mean when will all browsers feature it ? Anybody knowing this please say so herein and please don't forget to post your source.

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    "All browsers"? Who can say?

    Are you asking about when to expect total 100% support from all 'latest versions' or are you not aware that the majors and large numbers of smaller browsers have most of css2 under their belt already?


    Given the high level of support in current (latest) browser versions I reckon that we're no further away from complete support for css2 than one version and a point update.

    There are a number of attribute support tables available online including:
    http://www.westciv.com/style_master/...owser_support/
    http://www.jessett.com/web_sites/css..._support.shtml
    http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/cs...key/syntax.htm
    http://www.richinstyle.com/bugs/table.html
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    Thanks for your reply. I got everything I was asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngelBGE
    I mean when will all browsers feature it ? Anybody knowing this please say so herein and please don't forget to post your source.
    Netscape 6+ and Opera feature very good CSS2 support, and IE5/Mac does some too. I think within the next year or so you'll see CSS2 coming to IE/Windows as well.

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    Yeah, nice. However, one has yet to find a way to install the newer versions of all browsers on all computers worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngelBGE
    Yeah, nice. However, one has yet to find a way to install the newer versions of all browsers on all computers worldwide.
    That's a trade-off you're going to have to make: features or compatibility? It's a question that every software developer has ever had to ask themselves.

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    Does anyone know if the shorthand css code is in supported in the major browsers
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    Much of css shorthand is actually supported back to NN4, so it's almost a certainty that shorthand versions of common attributes are supported by all v5+ browsers (+Moz + browsers 'born' in the last 2-3 years)

    For a list of css2 attributes which shows their shorthand equivalents and browsers version support see:
    http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp

    ...and also see the links I posted earlier in this thread.



    <edit>

    Forgot to mention...
    There are currently some bugs in IE5/Win's handling of the shorthand margin attribute which affects its ability to center block elements with margin: auto as it should.

    There are a few more bugs that we need to be aware of.
    For more info about IE5 bugs and workarounds:
    http://css.nu/pointers/bugs-ie.html
    http://www.richinstyle.com/bugs/ie5b.html

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    Also, here's a few more for the list of css1/css2 support charts:

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/css2tests/intro.html
    http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/cs...key/syntax.htm

    ...and here's one covering the less often mentioned Mac-specific browser versions (IE5/Mac)...
    http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/index.html

    ...and Mac-only browsers such as Omniweb, ICab and Safari:
    http://www.macedition.com/cb/resourc...sssupport.html

    </edit>
    Last edited by Bill Posters; May 14, 2003 at 01:21.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Posters
    Much of css shorthand is actually supported back to NN4, so it's almost a certainty that shorthand versions of common attributes are supported by all v5+ browsers (+Moz + browsers 'born' in the last 2-3 years)
    the shorthand has always worked for me, so I will continue on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blakems
    Does anyone know if the shorthand css code is in supported in the major browsers
    You can always download the browsers, make a page that uses CSS feature X, and test it out yourself just to make sure .

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    Heh.

    Well the sitepoint site has many great features such as the navbar toggle (done with JS/CSS I know) etc. And it's also compliant with all browsers (at least the newer versions of all browsers). Can anybody tell me who made the sitepoint site? The design/layout that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blakems
    Does anyone know if the shorthand css code is in supported in the major browsers
    I actually wrote an article on this for Sitepoint, look in my signature.

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    I think within the next year or so you'll see CSS2 coming to IE/Windows as well.
    If you don't have the support in Mozilla, then you don't have a website, simple as that. No compatability=no features.

    I couldn't understand why anyone would be eager to use unsupported code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronicles
    If you don't have the support in Mozilla, then you don't have a website, simple as that. No compatability=no features.

    I couldn't understand why anyone would be eager to use unsupported code.
    What are you talking about? CSS2 is already in Mozilla and Opera. IE is really the only holdout; CSS2 is hardly "unsupported code" now, when IE comes out it's just icing on the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngelBGE
    Can anybody tell me who made the sitepoint site? The design/layout that is.
    My guess would be Sitepoint
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    vgarcia

    [quote]Netscape 6+ and Opera feature very good CSS2 support, and IE5/Mac does some too. I think within the next year or so you'll see CSS2 coming to IE/Windows as well.[quote]

    You implied that there is *not* wholesale support for CSS2.

    IE is really the only holdout
    IE is the dominant share of the browser market, yes? And IE is Mozilla based, yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronicles
    And IE is Mozilla based, yes?
    No

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    Is it not? Log files associate Mozilla and IE together, so I sort of assumed an association. Curious now - why would this be so in the logs?
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    IE Is "Mozilla Compatible" I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyborg from dh
    IE Is "Mozilla Compatible" I believe.
    History lesson:

    Back when Netscape was king and people only coded for NS (long time ago, but it did happen), Netscape's UA string had "Mozilla" in it (it stood for "Mosaic Killa", making fun of Mosaic, the other browser at the time). Most coders would search for "Mozilla" to generate content, and in order for IE to get any kind of use at all they too had to put "Mozilla" in the UA string. It's kinda like how Opera and Phoenix allow you to identify as IE right now; to get around lazy developers.

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    Ahh, yeah that does seem to ring a bell now. It was a looong time ago, so I don't have to remember all that kinda stuff do I? (Because if I'm supposed to, I'm screwed)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyborg from dh
    Ahh, yeah that does seem to ring a bell now. It was a looong time ago, so I don't have to remember all that kinda stuff do I? (Because if I'm supposed to, I'm screwed)
    There's a test on it next Monday

    Just kidding. Actually, the only reason I know it was because I read up on it a couple of months back. It's still fresh in my mind I guess .


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