Redhat

[Skybrett]

Hi,
If I downloaded redhat to put on another machine how long would It take to transfer to cd? And also I have win 98 on the machine i want to run linux on and its bust and doesn't have the startup disk :S how will I run the cd?

Thanks

[oneworkspace]

The Redhat installs are over 600Mb, so it would take quite a while to download it to a CD. A better option, if your target desktop has a network connection, might be to download just the natwork installation disk image from Redhat-- this creates a floppy disk which you can insert in your desktop, and which will then download the 600Mb install file directly.

[Skybrett]

Well the target desktop is an old pc with a modem but I now use ADSL so the dial-up has been canceled and It would cost quite a bit for pay as you go when its non-stop for a few days

[i_like_php]

The Redhat installs are over 600Mb, so it would take quite a while to download it to a CD. A better option, if your target desktop has a network connection, might be to download just the natwork installation disk image from Redhat-- this creates a floppy disk which you can insert in your desktop, and which will then download the 600Mb install file directly.

yeah i am tempted to use redhat so are you saying with everything installed redhat only takes up 600mb of space? if so that's good considering they have like 6 discs each about 600mbs each

[seanf]

No, he's saying each installation file is 600mb (some are smaller), not the actual installation on your hard drive

BTW - you don't need all 6 disks, you only need the three installation ones. The others are source code and documentation

Sean

[Technosailor]

yeah i am tempted to use redhat so are you saying with everything installed redhat only takes up 600mb of space?[img]images/smilies/confused.gif[/img] if so that's good considering they have like 6 discs each about 600mbs each [img]/images/smilies/eek2.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/goof.gif[/img]

the lengthy part is the download which he'd have to do even with your method. The burning of a CD can be done in 5 minutes.

[i_like_php]

No, he's saying each installation file is 600mb (some are smaller), not the actual installation on your hard drive

BTW - you don't need all 6 disks, you only need the three installation ones. The others are source code and documentation

Sean [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

so about how much harddrive space am i looking to cough up.

[seanf]

It all depends on what you want to run. Do you want to use a text based system or do you want to use one of the graphical shells? What are you planning to run? You should get a usable bare-bones system under 1gb

Sean

[Technosailor]

The minimum requirements for Redhat are as follows:
Pentium 200
650 MB Hard drive Space
32 MB RAM (text-only)

The recommended is:
P200 or better
2.5GB hard drive space/ 4.5GB full install + storage space
128MB RAM for graphical interface/192MB recommended


Aaron

[i_like_php]

It all depends on what you want to run. Do you want to use a text based system or do you want to use one of the graphical shells? What are you planning to run? You should get a usable bare-bones system under 1gb

Sean [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

well since i have no idea on what you mean i can't say what i want to run on it

hmm is the graphical shells the ones that allow you to use the bluecurve interface?

also are you using redhat 9 the personal edtion or the professional edition or what? sorry or all these questions but i'm just trying to gain more knowledge on redhat

[seanf]

well since i have no idea on what you mean i can't say what i want to run on it

hmm is the graphical shells the ones that allow you to use the bluecurve interface?

Yep

also are you using redhat 9 the personal edtion or the professional edition or what?

Personal edition, the professional edition is designed for large corporations. Download it here

BTW - you only need shrike-i386-disc1.iso, shrike-i386-disc2.iso and shrike-i386-disc3.iso

Sean

[i_like_php]

[img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Yep

Personal edition, the professional edition is designed for large corporations. Download it here

BTW - you only need shrike-i386-disc1.iso, shrike-i386-disc2.iso and shrike-i386-disc3.iso

Sean [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

a few more questions, would i still be able to connect this machine to my windows network and share resorces.

also would i still be to access the internet even thought server running my dsl connections is a windows one. again sorry for all these questions

[astroe]

You can share resources in a windows network. Just make sure you install the Samba (smb) server. After the installation, go to the file /etc/samba/smb.conf and modify it according to your needs. It's a heavily commented text file, it tells you exactly what you need to setup.
And of course you can connect to a server (via LAN, I suppose) no matter what OS it runs.
Good luck,
Andrei

[i_like_php]

a few more questions, let's say i want to play video games on it like for example, let's say i have nhl 2003 but it's made strictly for the windows 95/98/2000/XP operating systems. would i still be able to play them just a silly question.

last question, what popular programs work with the linux/unix world. like does photoshop and flash mx work under redhat, again sorry for all the ?'s but i am just trying to get an idea.

[astroe]

No program made for windows will vork under Linux. There are Linux versions of programs such as Netscape Communicator, Acrobat Reader, Yahoo Messenger.
About everything that exists in the MS world there is at least a replica under Linux. There is no WinAmp, but there is XMMS (which does the same thing - plays mp3 files or other multimedia files), there is no Microsoft Office, but there's KOffice (with its own word processor and spreadsheet editor, and which is MSOffice-friendly - it understands MS Office formats)
I don't know about video games, if there are any, I heard there is a version of Quake for linux, but again, I never looked. There are a few video games for linux however. I can't come with examples, but i am sure they exist. You need to look.
There's one more thing: there is vmware (you might have heard) which is a hardware platform emulator. Using it, you can run windows (or any OS for that matter) under linux.
You can have both Windows and Linux on your computer, if you have enough disk space, and choose at boot-up which one you should run. You may try this for the beginning, until you get used to it. When I first had to install Linux, I kept my old Win98 on another partition (it does take some getting used to), but in 2 weeks I gave it up.
Best regards,
Andrei

[astroe]

Oh, and to an older question (how to run the cd), the first Linux CD is bootable, and you can run it even if there is no OS on you r machine.

[i_like_php]

i don't too much like the netscape browser so what other browser's work under the linux/redhat world [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

edit:

does rh include that control+alt+delete feature to where you can lock and unlock your pc?

[astroe]

There are lots of browsers. If you don't like Netscape, I presume you don't like Mozilla either. Other examples that come to mind are Opera and some Internet Explorer-likebrowsers: Konqueror (in the KDE graphical shell) and Nautilus (in the Gnome graphical shell).
The ctrl+alt+del always cleanly restarts the system, although you don't much need ctrl+alt+del, because the system doesn't freeze. Only certain applications do. When this happens, you can always go to a different console and use the ps command to view the processes running. When you identify the one that froze (it's easy, it says the name of the application and a number called Process ID - PID), you use the command
kill PID
and the process is cleanly kicked out of the system.
The graphical shells even have a Process Management application, that does this in a graphical style, much like the Task Manager in Win2k.

[i_like_php]

which version of redhat did you install the server version or the bare minium?

ok i burned all three iso onto cd's now, how do i install rh onto my machine and i want to make this not overide my windows 2k boot, instead i want to be able to chose which one i want to load up at the start screen is that possible?

the reason i asked about the control+alt+delete is because i wanna be able to have that lock feautre like windows you know when you stay away from your pc and you dont want anybody accessing it while you're away

mozilla is ok although it could be better but thanks for the other suggestions of browsers i'll check them out .

[Skybrett]

hi,
just wondered is it possible to install linux on an external USB/firewire hard disk? If it was how would you boot win xp and linux?
And what size hard disk would you need?
Thanks

[i_like_php]

with the complete install it's 5 gigs
personal workstation it's 2.1 gigs

the other two i don't remember but i am sure someone will fill in the blanks

[Skybrett]

what about the console version? where can i get that (no graphical interface) as that is what i need to use.

Thanks

[seanf]

The 'console version' is Linux. The graphical shells just run on top. Just install Linux without any of the graphical shells and you're left with the command line. You can also choose to install the graphical shells, but use the command line by default

Sean

[Skybrett]

so just buy/install the whole thing and in the install program you can select it there?

Just wanted to speed up the download by not downloading the graphical interface.

[astroe]

You can select everything in the install program. Don't try to speed up download by ignoring certain parts. You risk finding that on the cd-s whose iso images you chose not to download there are some things you really need. Just be patient with that.
At system install, I chose custom install, as I like to make my own software salad, and chose to install things I needed: Software Development stuff, smb, ftp and apache servers, the kde graphical shell, and I left out other things that I didn't need: the gnome graphical shell, th Router/firewall facilities, even some documentation. As I installed redhat 7.2, it took me some 1.6GB
About choosing the OS to boot at startup it's easy: just install Linux on another partition, and the install shell will prompt you whether to use a bootloader. You may choose between grub and lilo, which are both good. Just be careful where you put it: on the linux partition or in the MBR; if you want to be able to boot winXP, you may need a second (and third) opinion (I think I heard someone say that WinXP needs to have control of the MBR).
And for our friend i_like_php: the graphical shells (kde and gnome) both have the "lock screen" feature - i even think microsoft developers were inspired by them to add it to windows. In the text mode shell, you really don't need a "lock screen" - just log out of your session, it's just the same thing, you need to type your password when you come back.
Good luck everyone!
Andrei