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    Gif/Jif

    Hey everyone,

    Just come across this article on the Cnet/Guardian website. Not that its going to change the world or anything, but nice to correct yourself occassionally

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    The original words used to make the acronym are important, IMHO. The G comes from "Graphics", a hard G, so to argue that the G in GIF should be soft is quite illogical.

    There's no actual right or wrong answer, of course, so the only reference point (other than personal preference) is the sound of the original word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    The original words used to make the acronym are important, IMHO. The G comes from "Graphics", a hard G, so to argue that the G in GIF should be soft is quite idiotic.
    I've always said it with a hard "g" for that reason as well.

    There are a number of words and acronyms in the tech world that have more than one way to say it.

    For example, MySQL: pronounced as "My S-Q-L" or "My Seeqil".
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    The debate rages on:

    Steve Wilhite told the New York Times that he was "annoyed" there was still a debate over how to say the acronym.

    He added that the Oxford English Dictionary was wrong to say it could be pronounced both ways.

    The OED told the BBC that it was beyond the software engineer's control to determine how the word should be said.
    From here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22620473

    FWIW, I've always said gif (as opposed to jif).

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    I always say gif as well. In Dutch 'gif' is the word for poison and pronounced with a hard G, so I basically don't know any better

    (It's actually an even harder G than the English one, like only the Dutch can, it really sounds like gggg )
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    If the person responsible for the GIF format wanted it pronounced JIF (as in cleaning powder) then they should have spelt it that way.

    Anyway, I haven't seen any explanation of what the G stands for where the word is pronounced with a soft G.

    Just because Steve Wilhite invented the GIF format doesn't mean that he has any say in how GIF is pronounced (other than that having spelt it G.I.F he reduced greatly the chance of people pronouncing it as "cleaning powder" - although for some reason he seems to think that Jif is peanut butter - which could be somewhat hazardous to his health if he ever decides to eat some).
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    Looks like we all agree. Hard G it is.
    Our Twitter followers don't agree however... there was some hot debate yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAWK View Post
    Looks like we all agree. Hard G it is.
    Our Twitter followers don't agree however... there was some hot debate yesterday.
    In Italy it's jif, but only because 'gi' is always pronounced 'ji'

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    Quote Originally Posted by guido2004 View Post
    In Italy it's jif, but only because 'gi' is always pronounced 'ji'
    Ah, Italians! Well, they used to have a hard G, so I'm sure it can be brought back with a bit of effort. The ancient Romans had a hard G and no soft G. They didn't even have a J.

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    So what do they call you, Guido? Should we be calling you Juido?

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    I like to say GIF since that's the right one. But I always ended up saying JIF most of the time. I think it was meant to pronounce GIF better or JIF sounds better than GIF. But since it's an acronym I think it's best to say G-I-F.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamiltondist View Post
    since it's an acronym I think it's best to say G-I-F.
    Hehe, it's only an acronym if you pronounce it as a word. If you spell out the letters, it's no longer an acronym, but simply an initialism. (Acronyms are a subset of initialisms).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    Off Topic:

    So what do they call you, Guido? Should we be calling you Juido?
    Off Topic:


    They still have a hard G. Only the G followed by E or I is soft. GA, GO, GU, GHI and GHE (adding a non pronounced H between the G and the E and I) are all hard G's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamiltondist View Post
    But since it's an acronym I think it's best to say G-I-F.
    I have always used the acronym to say it. Anyone else like me? I've always thought it was weird to pronounce it either GIF or JIF... Jpeg on the other hand seems natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbjavol View Post
    I have always used the acronym to say it. ... I've always thought it was weird to pronounce it either GIF or JIF...
    Sounds like you mean that you don't pronounce it as an acronym, then (see post #12). If you pronounce the letters separately (G-I-F)—that is, as an initialism—then I'd say you are very much in a minority. I've never heard it pronounced like that, although .PNG seems to vary 50/50 between "P-N-G" and "ping". I also occasionally hear people speak of a "J-P-G", but it's pretty rare.

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    yeah, loved the debate on the pronunciation. I felt Jif sounds better than Gif (though I'm not sound expert). World has moved over to png yea nostalgic about those animations though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radiant_luv View Post
    World has moved over to png ...
    And as for the correct pronunciation of that ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    And as for the correct pronunciation of that ...
    Let's have a debate over that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    Hehe, it's only an acronym if you pronounce it as a word. If you spell out the letters, it's no longer an acronym, but simply an initialism. (Acronyms are a subset of initialisms).
    Okay. I'm not good with terminologies. Most people online (wherever they are in the world) say acronyms instead of initialism. So I get along with it. I'll remember "initialism" from now on (hope I won't forget!LoL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    Sounds like you mean that you don't pronounce it as an acronym, then (see post #12). If you pronounce the letters separately (G-I-F)—that is, as an initialism—then I'd say you are very much in a minority. I've never heard it pronounced like that, although .PNG seems to vary 50/50 between "P-N-G" and "ping". I also occasionally hear people speak of a "J-P-G", but it's pretty rare.
    Awesome. "Initialism" it is. I didn't know I was even in the minority. That's great to know!

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    Actually it's not even that simple.


    If it were merely initialism it would be: G-I-F sounding it out to GEE EYE EFF ( 3 syllables) ; but 'JIF" sounds out to "JEEEF" ( 1 syllable) sounds too forced too different from "GEE EYE EFF".
    The hard G version sounds more natural ( at least in English ) "Gift" w/o the "t".

    Maybe it's just tech curse of web tech. to always have two arguing versions.

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    Whenever I hear 'Jif' I think of their better know competitor 'Ajax'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    Whenever I hear 'Jif' I think of their better know competitor 'Ajax'.
    Ha ha, although I'm not sure Jif the cleaning agent is known about outside Australia, unlike Ajax.

    All I can say now about the pronunciation 'jif' for .gif is GEE EYE EFFing hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph.m View Post
    Ha ha, although I'm not sure Jif the cleaning agent is known about outside Australia, unlike Ajax.

    All I can say now about the pronunciation 'jif' for .gif is GEE EYE EFFing hate it.
    It was called Jif but got renamed to Cif a few years ago. I think it's called Cif throughout Europe
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpacePhoenix View Post
    It was called Jif but got renamed to Cif a few years ago. I think it's called Cif throughout Europe
    I suppose that means there will now be an argument over whether it is pronounced "Kif" or "Sif".


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