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    SitePoint Member lyrical's Avatar
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    Hi guys, just wanted to let you know that someone actually does listen to your advice. I'm changing my major from Network Admin. to Web Design I'm taking markup languages, followed by Dreamweaver, for my classes this year. Looks like I'll be spending a bit more time here trying to figure out what I'm doing.
    Thanks again for the great advice.
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    Has anyone brought up the point that Front Page hacks your code and makes manual changes much more difficult to keep in place - whereas (in my experience) DW MX leaves my code changes alone - I'm really excited about the new stuff coming from DW MX 2K4 though so you may want to hold off on making any choices for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonkedproducer
    Has anyone brought up the point that Front Page hacks your code and makes manual changes much more difficult to keep in place
    I think that's brought up in nearly every FrontPage-related thread. However, I think FP2003 is going to be much better about what crappy code it inserts behind your back. Hopefully that will make its way into Visual Studio .NET as well .
    Quote Originally Posted by bonkedproducer
    - whereas (in my experience) DW MX leaves my code changes alone - I'm really excited about the new stuff coming from DW MX 2K4 though so you may want to hold off on making any choices for now.
    Agreed. I'd wait 3-4 months, until both FP2003 and DW 2004 have been released. Try both out, then make your choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by bonkedproducer
    GoLive?! ICK! Adobe didn't do good with that package!
    They've been getting much better in recent releases, but I think they're still a distant second or third to DW.

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    in my mind, this is how i'd look at it. i rarely see FP asked for in a job add. i do see DW asked for.

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    I started with Homesite 4.5 and like it a lot. Also use NoteTab. Both of these keeps me familiar with html.

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    Dreamweaver is by far the best. It does what you want it to even if you handcode. The file management is unbeatable.

    Even if you use the built in tools for creating dynamic pages it does the job well.

    And you can always extend the functionality by Dreamweaver Extensions or even create your own commands.

    Can't wait for MX 2004!

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    Dream Weaver is potent and MS Front Page is basic but important
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    Quote Originally Posted by fewcoin
    I started with Homesite 4.5 and like it a lot. Also use NoteTab. Both of these keeps me familiar with html.

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    Homesite is no longer up-to-date with html standards...I assume its successor (DWMX04) will be.

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    Neither.

    Dreamweaver is better than FP, but they should only be there to assist you. To make things a bit easier.

    You need to learn how to code a website using only a text editor first. Do to download.com and download Edit Plus 2. Its a free text editor, and it's absolutely great.

    After you have a hold on html and simple javascript, I would move on to PHP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalH
    Homesite is no longer up-to-date with html standards
    actually HS 5 is pretty good if you set the proper DTD on the page.

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    Hello lyrical,

    From my own experience I started by using NoteTab Pro (you can check it out here) to view the source code of pages I liked and to study how they placed tables, cells, etc.

    After that I bought FrontPage and started building pages myself. I taught myself HTML and CSS as I went. There are more tutorials and articles online than you can find anywhere for this.

    I must agree with the majority here - FrontPage is a real ******. It was great for getting my feet wet, but after I knew HTML and had the basics down of building and designing a web page I upgraded to Dreamweaver 4 (I use Dreamweaver MX now).

    And I also agree that you should learn the coding languages first. Without knowing these it would be like trying to build a house without a foundation.

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    Ahem, I'd like to add to the discussion that FrontPage 2003 has recently been released, and it's looking real promising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Johansson
    Ahem, I'd like to add to the discussion that FrontPage 2003 has recently been released, and it's looking real promising.
    Already brought up

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgarcia
    Huh?
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    Ensure you finish what you sta bronze trophy John Colby's Avatar
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    The people at my department introduced me to HTML-kit. For teaching it has a significamnt number of advantages, customisability, code entry with ease, ability to have differnet DTDs, HTML Tidy integration, php, CSS and other editing. You can write your own plugins.

    And its free for non-commercial use.

    I also have Dreamweaver availble, but code better in HTML-kit as it doesn't force me to conform to non-standards mode - it's also £700 less!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Johansson
    Ahem, I'd like to add to the discussion that FrontPage 2003 has recently been released, and it's looking real promising.
    [gag, choke, hurl...]

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbolte
    [gag, choke, hurl...]
    I take it you've tried it?
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    If u use PHP Dreamweaver MX is better !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Johansson
    I take it you've tried it?
    actually no. i tried it a long time ago and it left such a bad test in my mouth that i'll prolly never try it again. but, i really don't have any reason to. HS, DW and VS.Net pretty much have me covered.

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    I'm sure like a lot of people, I got started with FrontPage because it was easier to use. But after having so many problems with FP extensions, and other things, I switched over to Dreamweaver.

    But I had to remove FP code, sometimes page by page, and now two years later, I still haven't gotten it all out of my site.

    DW is just a lot more flexible and creates code that is more portable, for when you move out of the Microsoft world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrical
    [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Ok....that's two for DW. I did use FrontPage for my first website, but since I don't really know enough about it yet....I'm not qualified to say what's good. Maybe I should learn more about html first though. Thanks! [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]


    [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

    You hit the nail on the head. If your a newbie then I would reconsider taking a class in html first. Learn the fundamentals of web design and then decide for yourself what software is best for you. You may find you hate both programs and be a natural at using notepad. Some people are.

    I've used both programs and I found DW to be more flexible after learning it's hidden capabilities.
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    Thanks again.[img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img] I've found soooo much info here, and all of you have offered great advice ( that I followed, I really really did [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img])

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    I like the post above, ferrari or ford lol. Dreamweaver!!! Frontpage is no competitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimum
    I like the post above, ferrari or ford lol. Dreamweaver!!! Frontpage is no competitor.
    I'm conducting a litte survey... When did you last try out Frontpage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Colby
    I also have Dreamweaver availble, but code better in HTML-kit as it doesn't force me to conform to non-standards mode - it's also £700 less!

    http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

    Agree html-kit is a fine piece of software, but you really need to get a new supplier for DW!!

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