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    Leaving Dreamweaver

    It looks like Dreamweaver doesn't do things the right way any longer.
    I've always been working in Dreamweaver and I kinda like the wysiwyg way of working.
    I know that most of you out here like coding instead of doing it the Dreamweaver-way.

    But, I know always get hints that I have to use MySQLi or PDO and I honestly know nothing about it and I don't feel like learning a lot of new stuff, but still wants to work with php and MySQL. All web stuff I've been doing for years now is done with Dreamweaver.

    So, is there any other great alternative to use instead of Dreamweaver?
    But, still doing it simple without too much hand coding?

    And... I'm on a Mac.

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    Dreamweaver is not a serious tool for programming. It's ok for designers, but not for coding.

    This discussion comes up a lot around here, so I'm not going to into it in any great detail. I'll just tell you I use phpstorm and consider it to be excellent: http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/

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    Alternatively, try Netbeans - very similar to phpstorm, but free

    My personal preference is Sublime2, if you feel geeky

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    It looks like Dreamweaver doesn't do things the right way any longer.
    I've always been working in Dreamweaver and I kinda like the wysiwyg way of working.
    I know that most of you out here like coding instead of doing it the Dreamweaver-way.
    Has Dreamweaver ever done things right? Lines and lines of useless broken code. I don't know of a WYSIWYG that writes neat legible code to be honest.

    But, I know always get hints that I have to use MySQLi or PDO and I honestly know nothing about it and I don't feel like learning a lot of new stuff, but still wants to work with php and MySQL. All web stuff I've been doing for years now is done with Dreamweaver.
    There's your problem, if you can't be bothered learning new stuff then:

    1. You're going to run into big problems such as switching from MySQL queries to PDO queries
    2. You're relying on other people to do your work for you
    3. You're probably going to miss out on some really good new features e.g. with PDO (main function is to prevent SQL injections thus keeping your website more secure with absolutely no implementation such as escaping strings)
    4. You'll be screwed if something happens like HTML gets completely replaced by something else, or PHP for that matter

    So, is there any other great alternative to use instead of Dreamweaver?
    But, still doing it simple without too much hand coding?
    You already said you don't really want to learn too much so all of the advise on here will be to scrap a WYSIWYG and go for full on coding manually in HTML/CSS/MySQL - PDO/SQLi so why bother? I can almost guess you're not even designing responsive websites. I just hope you're only working on personal websites and not designing/developing for clients.

    Me personally, I agree with the above poster, I started on Sublime Text 2 a couple of weeks back after a few years of Notepad++. There was nothing wrong with Notepad++ but I decided to test a few other editors out.

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    I agree with what you're saying here. I imagine this guy's code will be a mess of sql, php and html all in the same files, possibly still using tables for design...

    Btw, I'd recommend using a real ide over something like sublime text. Ides like netbeans and phpstorm have great integration with things like xdebug, and they're brilliant at code hinting and stuff like that...

    Anyway, not getting sucked into this one again, as we seem to have this discussion every 10 days in here.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottlpool2003 View Post
    Has Dreamweaver ever done things right? Lines and lines of useless broken code. I don't know of a WYSIWYG that writes neat legible code to be honest.


    There's your problem, if you can't be bothered learning new stuff then:

    1. You're going to run into big problems such as switching from MySQL queries to PDO queries
    2. You're relying on other people to do your work for you
    3. You're probably going to miss out on some really good new features e.g. with PDO (main function is to prevent SQL injections thus keeping your website more secure with absolutely no implementation such as escaping strings)
    4. You'll be screwed if something happens like HTML gets completely replaced by something else, or PHP for that matter


    You already said you don't really want to learn too much so all of the advise on here will be to scrap a WYSIWYG and go for full on coding manually in HTML/CSS/MySQL - PDO/SQLi so why bother? I can almost guess you're not even designing responsive websites. I just hope you're only working on personal websites and not designing/developing for clients.

    Me personally, I agree with the above poster, I started on Sublime Text 2 a couple of weeks back after a few years of Notepad++. There was nothing wrong with Notepad++ but I decided to test a few other editors out.

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    Well, I guess you're right. I'm old (50+) and I read a lot of books about Dreamweaver together with PHP and MySQL and I've been designing a lot of personal pages that are really useful in my country and they work fine. I've also done pages for friends and small companies and they work really great.

    So, for me it was a lot of learning to make things work and build things nice with css and databases. And when I finally have a nice flow... I have to learn a lot of new things. Maybe I read the wrong books, doing it the wrong way around.
    But, it looks like I have to learn more new things if I want to continue play around with this in my spare time.

    Any great tips on easy reading books about what I need to learn? And what SHOULD I learn? Is it PDO that I should go for?

    It's been so great to have the Dreamweaver WYSIWYG with all the design and db connections easy. Even though I have to do a lot on my own. But in my daytime job I work with design (not web), so I kinda like having the great look in the websistes I make and also very, very easy for the users to visit.


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