Birth is when the head emerges from the birth canal.
Originally posted by TWTCommish
And when is that? Are you saying that as soon as the imbilical cord is cut, it's alive...but right before the cord is cut, it's NOT?
First of all, it's not pushed out of the mother's stomach. It comes from the womb. It is alive, but until it's born (head emerges from birth canal) it's not a human being.
Are you saying, perhaps, that while it's just been pushed out of the mother's stomach, it's alive...but just 5 seconds before, it WASN'T?
I think you misunderstood. What I'm saying is that if you say abortion is OK for victims of rape, then if a girl wants
I don't see why - why would a rapist be concerned with what the mother does with the baby? If he's raping her, I don't think it matters to him. Even so, I stand by my statement and think it's far better than allowing abortion to go on.
an abortion bad enough she'll say she was raped even if she wasn't. Another problem is that it's irrelevant to the fetus how it was conceived. Why should a fetus conceived in a rape have fewer rights than one not conceived in a rape?
I don't see your point here.
But that varies for every child...many die unexpectedly and many live through amazing adversity...that, too, cannot be nailed down at all. I also don't think that a tiny little baby hooked up to a machine trying to live is not "truly" alive if it ends up dying, even though it "couldn't live without the mother."
Actually some religions, Judaism for example, mandate abortion in some circumstances.
Like I said, from a secular standpoint you're right: the mother should always be allowed an abortion if her health is in danger...which is why I said that I wouldn't use that argument, even though I believe in it.
I don't know of any cases where a woman who was in labor had an abortion.
At times it is partially born. Granted, it's not too common, but it does happen...and it's terrible.
Most abortions are by married women in their 20's.
Not always, but plenty. I'd be willing to bet most abortions stem from people just not being careful. I can't back that up with stats, it's just my view and take on things.
"Democracy is participation in power" - Cicero
The way I see it, making abortion illegal is anti-democracy.
Not to mention that making abortion illegal will actually result in more abortions.