Springtime for PHP6 in Paris

Clear, as ever.
Ciao

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Originally Posted by lastcraft

The DI tools in Ruby and Python work fine without hinting, it's just a nice to have in this case. I'd have traded that feature for an earlier release of PHP5 with fewer bugs and a language that was easier for newcomers to learn.

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Cars also work without seat belts -- but that's no argument against wearing seat belts. Further, you make it sound like the PHP devs made a trade-off and sacrificed bugs/release date for the sake of adding type hinting; that's neither fair and almost certainly untrue.

Type hinting and interfaces in PHP add nearly no value whatsoever, while adding complication.

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Originally Posted by jayboots

Cars also work without seat belts -- but that's no argument against wearing seat belts.

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I read that quote several times and I just can see how it applies here ... or anywhere ... for that matter.

Cars work without cup holders -- but that's no argument against drinking beverages?
Cars work without a spare tire -- but that's no argument against spreading nails on a road?

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Originally Posted by lastcraft

The DI tools in Ruby and Python work fine without hinting, it's just a nice to have in this case. I'd have traded that feature for an earlier release of PHP5 with fewer bugs and a language that was easier for newcomers to learn.

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I certainly understand that cleanup and adding nicities are part of the language development process. But I have commented several times that the PHP developers seem to be less interested in moving the core language forward -- especially improving objects. In Ruby and Python they are working on finding ways to hone DI while we are still trying to get it to work.

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Originally Posted by arborint

I read that quote several times and I just can see how it applies here ... or anywhere ... for that matter.

Cars work without cup holders -- but that's no argument against drinking beverages?
Cars work without a spare tire -- but that's no argument against spreading nails on a road?

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Hi. It was an attempt at anology to respond to lastcraft's comment that "The DI tools in Ruby and Python work fine without hinting". So to dot the i's ... a car can move forward without seatbelts just as you can implement DI without typehinting. That alone doesn't imply that either is a good idea. meh.

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Originally Posted by BerislavLopac

Type hinting and interfaces in PHP add nearly no value whatsoever, while adding complication.

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No. That's taking it too far, IMHO.

Is the title "Springtime for PHP6 in Paris" a reference to Mel Brook's "The Producers"?